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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby musashisamurai » 17 Apr 2016, 22:28

That said, Jeb gave speeches and probably some of the other Republicans who never really mattered. Hillary's issue is that she looks at shady things other people do, and then takes it up to 11. So tons of politicians do speeches after they leave office, where the lobbyists shower them with the money that formally would have been a bribe. Hillary does it in between offices (I can't fault her too much for Bill on this. I actually like her more than Bill, but since Bill was getting money while she was in the Senate or State, just like Jeb was making money while his brother was president) to jump start her campaign.

schocker2 wrote:Her biggest problem I believe is that the more people see her and hear her the less they like her.

She's always had that issue, which is why the Nixon parallels are pretty striking. She has no concept of empathy-unlike Bill, who is just as shady or machiavellian, moreso even than most politicians, can charm anyone.

As for the coverage, thats just the media as it really is. Remember that George Stefanopoulis gave money to Hillary's campaign (a lot) and then was reporting on her? She even wanted him as a debate moderator. Fox News, "Fair and Unbiased," was established as a wing of the Republican party (though Trump seems determined to kill that alliance). MSNBC, CNN, Washington Post, Politico, they all gave money or are owned by other companies and billionaires who've donated millions. You read about that Rolling Stones article on Bernie Sanders that got rewritten by the editors? Originally, it was pretty praising; then it was pretty sarcastic. Or my favorite, when the Washington Post reports on April 6, headlines "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president." Headline on the next day: Fact Checker "Sander's incorrect claim that Clinton called him 'not qualified' for the presidency." (Google it!)

Of course, after their political intentions, we also see ratings. Trump was created by the media, after they dedicated last summer to him (what was it on CNN? 180 minutes Trump, 80 HiIlary, 20 seconds Bernie?) A media agency is never gonna report facts if they lead to boring news: every primary is important, crucial-no one's won x without y-, every race is tight. Then once its settled, the situation is completely reversed. I didn't read any articles on the complete mess that was Arizona and Nevada, and suddenly Hawaii is a majorly white state?

But not like theres ever gonna be federal election reform. Because one you get in enough to change it, why would you? You're making hundreds of thousands a year, more when you leave via the lobbyists, and the Party is giving you some nice campaign dividends. If the country keeps on that path, man, I wonder when the mass riots will start.
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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby Keirador » 18 Apr 2016, 21:13

musashisamurai wrote: Or my favorite, when the Washington Post reports on April 6, headlines "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president." Headline on the next day: Fact Checker "Sander's incorrect claim that Clinton called him 'not qualified' for the presidency." (Google it!)

This was ridiculous, but I've most commonly seen this stupid contradiction used to indicate that Clinton really did question whether Sanders was qualified and then the paper tried to cover her ass, whereas in fact Clinton never brought up Sanders' qualifications, and the Washington Post itself did a terrible job of insinuating something false for a good headline and didn't have the decency to apologize for bad reporting.

A media agency is never gonna report facts if they lead to boring news: every primary is important, crucial-no one's won x without y-, every race is tight. Then once its settled, the situation is completely reversed. I didn't read any articles on the complete mess that was Arizona and Nevada,

You didn't see any media coverage of Arizona and Nevada? I certainly did. That's how I know it happened.

and suddenly Hawaii is a majorly white state?

The whole diversity thing has been a friggin' mess, because nobody wants to say "black." Sanders doesn't do well with black voters, and he doesn't do well in states where black voters make up a large part of the electorate. For most of the country, saying "very white states" is basically the same thing as saying "not many black votes," but Hawaii is a complete outlier. For most of the country the Asian-American population (itself a dramatic oversimplifcation of the diversity that exists even in that small group) is too small to be consequential: only two states even have Asian-American populations in the double-digits, but Hawaii has a majority of Asian-Americans.

So acting like Sanders only wins white votes is reductionist and false, but at the same time pointing to Hawaii and Washington state to indicate that Sanders does very well in "diverse states" is also pretty blatant cherry-picking and deception. What the media means when they talk about diverse states and white states is pretty much just the black vote, but that's uncomfortable to say, I suppose.
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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby joe92 » 20 Feb 2019, 21:20

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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 20 Feb 2019, 21:21

joe92 wrote:BEEERRRRNNNNIIIIIIEEEEEE 2020!!!


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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby joe92 » 20 Feb 2019, 21:23

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Re: Hillary or Bernie?

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 25 Mar 2019, 22:04

2020 will be my first Presidential voting opportunity. :)
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