C-Diplo Series: Casual, Play to 1907 (Recruiting)

[Fuddin]

I'd like to reconsider my participation in this game. As such, I am unsubscribing.

[Brumark]

Sounds interesting, if you are still looking would be happy to play

[NoPunIn10Did]

Sounds interesting, if you are still looking would be happy to play

Great! I’ll be in touch later today. In the meantime, take a look at the application process here in the Classicist sub forum. It’s really easy.

[Ceasars Geezers]

I'd like to reconsider my participation in this game. As such, I am unsubscribing.

Dang sorry to hear that.

[Enriador]

So getting a solo win (18 centers) and topping the board with 17 gives you the same amount of points? I'm confused

According to the rules of C-Diplo:

* If you have 18 centers you get all 100 points.
* If you get 17 centers in a 2-way draw, you get 47,5 points (1 point for participation + 17 for SCs + half of 38 + 14 + 7 which is 29,5 = 47,5).
* If you get 17 centers in a 3-way draw (or more), you will get 56 points (1 point for participation + 17 for SCs + 38 for topping the table).

Personally, I love the idea. I am no fan of Diplomacy's sloggy and muddy endgame race to stalemate lines and the crucious trek to 18, so a timed match means an action-packed early and midgame which I enjoy much more.

I am currently playing on four different places (vDiplomacy, webDiplomacy, Conspiracy app and lab.diplomail) so I won't be joining this one until these games finish. I wonder though if Sum-of-Squares can be used in the future? It's not rank-based but center-based, yet it follows some of the general principles of C-Diplo.

SoS goes like this:

* 100 points to the winner (18 centers within seven years).
* In a draw, you square your center count (if you have 14 centers, your Square is 196 since 14 x 14 = 196).
* Then everyone's Square count is summed (if the two other surviving players have 10 centers, their score is 100. Sum all Squares (196 + 100 + 100) and you have the Sum-of-Squares: 396.
* Each player gets a fraction of the 100 points according to the fraction of their Square count over the Sum of the squares. To calculate your score: 100 x 196/396 = 49,49 points.

(Yes, it does sound confusing as shit but is actually pretty simple. Check this: http://www.diplomaticcorps.org/Scoring/squares.html).

Sum-of-Squares demand both conquest of centers as well as expert manipulation of the board in order to divide it as much as possible. So it's similar to C-Diplo but with a diffent vibe.

[Ceasars Geezers]

Sounds interesting, if you are still looking would be happy to play

Damn you like qualify for classicist and then some. You should def join

[NoPunIn10Did]

Your numbers are a tad off, Enriador. A 17/17 split for a 2-way draw awards 44 points each.

(38+14)/2 + 17 + 1 = 44

The 7 points for third place go to whichever power was eliminated last, for a total of 8 to that player.

[Enriador]

Your numbers are a tad off, Enriador. A 17/17 split for a 2-way draw awards 44 points each.

(38+14)/2 + 17 + 1 = 44

The 7 points for third place go to whichever power was eliminated last, for a total of 8 to that player.

They do? Oh, the way people in my town play it, eliminated players only get one point for participation since the idea is that the 7 points can only be shared among the survivors. Guess it's a local deviation then!

What's your take on Sum-of-Squares?

[NoPunIn10Did]

Your numbers are a tad off, Enriador. A 17/17 split for a 2-way draw awards 44 points each.

(38+14)/2 + 17 + 1 = 44

The 7 points for third place go to whichever power was eliminated last, for a total of 8 to that player.

They do? Oh, the way people in my town play it, eliminated players only get one point for participation since the idea is that the 7 points can only be shared among the survivors. Guess it's a local deviation then!

What's your take on Sum-of-Squares?

It's possible I've misunderstood the C-Diplo rules, but nearly all rank-based systems I've encountered rank first by SC count, then second by year of elimination for those with an SC count of zero. It's intended to make the elimination of small opponents less strategically attractive than it is with draw-based systems.

Sum-of-Squares is a reasonably good option for handling points in classic Diplomacy. It becomes a de facto hybrid of rank-based and draw-based systems. It becomes troublesome to use it to compare performance on vastly different variant maps, however.

[Enriador]

Your numbers are a tad off, Enriador. A 17/17 split for a 2-way draw awards 44 points each.

(38+14)/2 + 17 + 1 = 44

The 7 points for third place go to whichever power was eliminated last, for a total of 8 to that player.

They do? Oh, the way people in my town play it, eliminated players only get one point for participation since the idea is that the 7 points can only be shared among the survivors. Guess it's a local deviation then!

What's your take on Sum-of-Squares?

It's possible I've misunderstood the C-Diplo rules, but nearly all rank-based systems I've encountered rank first by SC count, then second by year of elimination for those with an SC count of zero. It's intended to make the elimination of small opponents less strategically attractive than it is with draw-based systems.

Sum-of-Squares is a reasonably good option for handling points in classic Diplomacy. It becomes a de facto hybrid of rank-based and draw-based systems. It becomes troublesome to use it to compare performance on vastly different variant maps, however.

Would this Series include non-Classic maps in the future? In any case SoS runs well with 1900, Versailles and Milan. Not sure about Ancient Mediterranean though.