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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby another » 23 Mar 2021, 19:15

TTBen wrote:
jay65536 wrote:I think the “tradition” is that in-depth discussion, especially from the players in the game, goes in an AAR.

The kind of comment that would go here is something from a viewer, like me, who has a bit of non-detailed outside commentary that other viewers can pick up on. Something like “I can’t believe Turkey took that draw.”


I'd agree with this comment

I'd agree with this comment, except about the other game.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby jay65536 » 23 Mar 2021, 19:24

Turkey shouldn't have taken the draw in EITHER game. Bowing out to a 2way in G1 was disappointing to me as a spectator. He had--or should have had--a lot of leverage to scare Germany into including him in the draw. That F Arm would have been really annoying in a late-endgame scenario.

That being said, because of the open-ballot noDIAS, Turkey may have been correct to propose the draw in G1. If France had told Turkey that he was unwilling to stab for the solo in the West, and it would have had to be Bulgaria for the 18th after Turkey lost all his centers, then Turkey keeping his points for tournament purposes (and ensuring that a later-round solo puts him ahead of both 2way participants) may have been the smarter move.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby mightyduk » 24 Mar 2021, 01:26

Just finished PDL D2 Jan G2 with a 3 way draw at 15/15/4, maybe we did it wrong? Turkey and I (England) were friendly, but hadn't been in a position to cooperate really, so in the end we didn't feel comfortable getting to 17/17 without one lunging for the solo. Surely the 3rd would not have accepted a 2-way? Perhaps he had the leverage knowing we hadn't worked closely through the game?
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby DirtyHarry » 24 Mar 2021, 03:53

@ jay65536 - As Austria in the G1 game, I was pretty surprised that Badger1991 (Turkey) offered the 2WD after I was eliminated. But in his defense, F & G had been completely adamant in their words, and backed it up with actions, that they were not going to stab each other and planned to see 17/17 through to the end.

Both had chances at various points, and in my view, legit chances to stab the other and make real solo runs, but refused. Still I was hoping Badger would stick it out and try to cross one of them up with an nefarious support or something to cause one of F or G to win. But in the end, I guess he decided it was better to take the points. Can't say I really blame him given how tight F & G were.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby jay65536 » 24 Mar 2021, 12:58

France had an almost-guaranteed solo for a long time, up to and including the time the game was called.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby IvarGizteb » 29 Mar 2021, 02:38

A little late to the punch, but a thorough congrats to everyone in D1 Jan G3. I was thoroughly outplayed by a fantastic group of players.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby with_an_h » 03 Apr 2021, 02:20

PDL D2 Jan Game 3 has just ended in an Italian solo. This was a fantastic game and I was impressed by the level of competition and look forward to the future PDL games! I'm working on an AAR right now, so looking forward to sharing what happened from my perspective. Plenty of twists and turns to recount.

ENGLAND Steff
FRANCE davey48016
ITALY with_an_h (SOLO WIN)
GERMANY sroca
AUSTRIA ublcomish12
TURKEY TheSlyHunter
RUSSIA IcomeInPeaceMaybe

Roma Invicta,
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby sroca » 03 Apr 2021, 02:44

Are you serious man?? Sigh. Well I feel like crap now.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby with_an_h » 03 Apr 2021, 21:42

The AAR for PDL D2 Jan G3 is up here: https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 20&t=61741

Sorry you feel like that, sroca. It was a really good game and you were a great opponent. I hope my thoughts in the AAR communicate that clearly enough.
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Re: PDL 2021 Commentary

Postby jay65536 » 05 Apr 2021, 18:26

Really nice win by with_an_h.

The most impressive part to me is not that the solo was with Italy (in my experience in high-level play, Italy is usually seen as among the easiest countries to solo with, not the hardest), but that it happened in a game that was open ballot noDIAS. That to me is shocking. How were the other players not mashing the "Propose Draw" button every turn? And more importantly, how was Italy able to convince Germany not to stab even though Italy never accepted any of the 2way proposals that did go out? How big was Turkey's involvement in punishing Germany for trying not to include Turkey in the draw?

I remember looking at this map at one point and thinking, "This is a clear G/I/T 3way." Then at another point I noticed that Turkey had proposed a G/T 2way. I remember looking at the map somewhere around that time and thinking that Germany had a path to stab Italy and take him out of the draw (and maybe solo). But he didn't take it, and then once again I thought 3way. Respect to Turkey for demanding inclusion and then throwing the solo when Germany refused to listen.
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