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I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby whiteric » 25 Feb 2017, 20:02

If a game turn has no units to move with or no build/remove is required
It still requires me to finalize my turn
BUT HOME OR GAME PAGES say NO actuation required
so I need to check at individual game to see if have action to make

EVER TIME I SAY THIS NOBODY THINGS IT DOES
BUT IT KEEP DOING IT TO ME ????????????
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby asudevil » 25 Feb 2017, 20:32

You don't need to finalize if there is a build/retreat that you don't have a part of. If the only person who DOES have a build/retreat is surrendered...then anyone finalizing will move the game along.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby gareth66 » 25 Feb 2017, 21:09

And, for clarification, there is no REQUIREMENT to finalise ever. Only ever finalise if you are ready for the move to process and you want it to process early. If you don't EVER finalise then that is no problem whatsoever.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby whiteric » 25 Feb 2017, 21:49

Well it the same thing again
Those who don't experience it
Jump all over me
Just once I would like some understand that I jump into end games that I only have unit left
and keep having these problems
In spring I destroy my last unit in the retreat
and in fall I have 0 units but I must finalize
And again in the build I have 0 units but I must finalize

I try to speed up these games because of there 3 to 7 day turns so the real players can get the game finished faster

So those who say it not happening because the never see it ..... I feel happy for you
but is so fustrating that nobody takes the time to consider that it does happen

But my main fustration is the false NO in the HOME & GAME Web pages that hide the fact that I must enter the game to release the finalize the move

as a programmer for over 40 years to see simple user interface not working right ... please I have had this happen many times in the last two years
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby WHSeward » 25 Feb 2017, 22:03

whiteric, I understand you are frustrated, but you are confused. Let me try once again to explain.

whiteric wrote:and in fall I have 0 units but I must finalize

Why do you think this is true? What evidence do you have of this behaviour?

Let me assure you it is false. Any power that has no retreats or builds in a retreat or build phase, DOES NOT need to finalize. If a power without a retreat or build finalizes, IT HAS NO EFFECT* on the game.

whiteric wrote:But my main fustration is the false NO in the HOME & GAME Web pages that hide the fact that I must enter the game to release the finalize the move

Again, this is not true. The home page gives the correct information.

*there is one exception, and while it is not what your OP is about, I will state it for completeness. If the ONLY powers in the game that have a retreat/build are in civil disorder (i.e. the player surrendered so no one is playing them) then if ANY power finalizes, the game will proceed rather than wait the entire phase. However, it is never the case that ALL the powers without a retreat/build need to finalize. One will do.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby super_dipsy » 25 Feb 2017, 22:05

whiteric wrote:In spring I destroy my last unit in the retreat
and in fall I have 0 units but I must finalize
And again in the build I have 0 units but I must finalize

OK, I think I know what is happening.

Let me make sure I have this right. Here is the sequence of events.

- you lose your last unit in the Spring retreat
- you now find in both Fall Orders and Fall Build you see 'Finalize your orders' in your order tab, even though you have no units
- you think this means you have to finalize to move the game on

It is the last bit that is wrong. If you have no units to move, you are not required to finalize. As long as the other players with actions do finalize, the game moves on. Your finalize status is irrelevant. Although it says you can finalize your orders, since you have no units your permission is not required to move the game on.

This is why the Home Page says you have nothing to finalize. Because you don't. I think the thing troubling you is that on your Orders tab you still have the tab visible for finalize orders.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby super_dipsy » 25 Feb 2017, 22:06

Oh, WHS already got there. :)
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby whiteric » 25 Feb 2017, 22:42

good some understands what i have to go through ... BUT its not that i have to but i want know that i have a FINALIZE to reply to so the my duty to help other speed up thier game
BTW no one need to finalize any turn if they want to stretch out thier game to the max time

but like to make quick turn around games and not let others wait for may turn to end


super_dipsy » 23 minutes ago

whiteric wrote:
In spring I destroy my last unit in the retreat
and in fall I have 0 units but I must finalize
And again in the build I have 0 units but I must finalize


OK, I think I know what is happening.

Let me make sure I have this right. Here is the sequence of events.

- you lose your last unit in the Spring retreat
- you now find in both Fall Orders and Fall Build you see 'Finalize your orders' in your order tab, even though you have no units
- you think this means you have to finalize to move the game on

It is the last bit that is wrong. If you have no units to move, you are not required to finalize. As long as the other players with actions do finalize, the game moves on. Your finalize status is irrelevant. Although it says you can finalize your orders, since you have no units your permission is not required to move the game on.

This is why the Home Page says you have nothing to finalize. Because you don't. I think the thing troubling you is that on your Orders tab you still have the tab visible for finalize orders.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby WHSeward » 25 Feb 2017, 23:03

whiteric wrote:good some understands what i have to go through ... BUT its not that i have to but i want know that i have a FINALIZE to reply to so the my duty to help other speed up thier game
BTW no one need to finalize any turn if they want to stretch out thier game to the max time

but like to make quick turn around games and not let others wait for may turn to end

whiteric, perhaps you still are confused, I am not sure based on what you have written.

If you don't have a retreat or build in a retreat or build phase, your finalizing HAS NO EFFECT AT ALL.

You are not helping to make a quick turn around in games. Finalizing when you don't have a retreat/build does NOTHING. Only the players that have orders can speed the game along, and the game does not wait for players that do not have orders. When the players with orders finalize, the game proceeds regardless of what other players do.
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Re: I find database not sync to all info pages

Postby super_dipsy » 26 Feb 2017, 07:25

Let me try to make it totally clear.

Here is how the code works. This is for an Orders phase.

IF one player clicks 'finalize orders'
- Check to see if game should move
- FOREACH country
--- If the country is surrendered, SKIP to next country
--- If the country has no units, SKIP to next country (this is your case)
--- Has country finalized?
------- No, END (no early finish to deadline)
------- Yes, move to next country
- If all countries WITH UNITS and NOT SURRENDERED have finalized, move turn on
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