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The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby kingpie3 » 18 Dec 2019, 05:43

Pre-Invasion State of Guatemala
Country Name: The New Republic of Greater Guatemala
Population: 22m
Gov't Type: Democracy
GDP: 200bn
Description: Guatemala has the distinction of being one of only a handful of nations to have never been a part of a broader political union since the fall of the Old Order millennia ago. While this has contributed greatly to the consolidation of national culture, it has isolated the Central American state from the global economy as it lacks the population and technological basis to effectively compete. As a result, the economy of Guatemala has over many years shifted towards self-efficiency as a means of upholding citizens' quality of life, with a relatively centralized economy coming to fruition under a mostly stable democratic regime.

The state of Guatemala is one where there is a sizable rural underclass and moderate urban elite, who have for the most part set aside their differences in the interest of national solidarity and defense. A key player in maintaining this relationship (and in providing social welfare for the many who need it) is the Roman Catholic Church, which serves to reinforce the strong national identity of the people. Guatemala is not an excessively militarized state, but due to the occasional flare up in tensions in the easternmost portions of the country (what was once Belize), the number of active duty servicemen is at roughly 200,000 at any given time. However, this number can escalate.

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Hopefully this gives some insight into things before the actual judging begins. If there's any questions about the state of Guatemala or orders, feel free to PM me. This will be the main thread for updates about the upcoming war and related materials, so expect more info as time goes on.
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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby mat.gopack » 18 Dec 2019, 06:10

(Note that Guatemala was a part of the URMA from fairly early on in their history - pre paction war at least)
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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby Vogelhut24 » 24 Dec 2019, 19:27

The Kingdom of Deseret formally condones Asteria on the issue of the invasion of Guatemala. Guatemala is in the influence of the new world powers and condemns further influence of old world and alien powers on American soil. However, the kingdom recognizes that while the Theocracy of Asteria might be a heretical theocratic state, they have the right to spread their faith on their half of the planet.
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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby RedSun » 24 Dec 2019, 19:51

Vogelhut24 wrote:The Kingdom of Deseret formally condones Asteria on the issue of the invasion of Guatemala. Guatemala is in the influence of the new world powers and condemns further influence of old world and alien powers on American soil. However, the kingdom recognizes that while the Theocracy of Asteria might be a heretical theocratic state, they have the right to spread their faith on their half of the planet.


So we’re thankful that you condone us for invading Guatemala :D . Most countries are unhappy with it for some reason…

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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby Vogelhut24 » 25 Dec 2019, 17:21

RedSun wrote:
Vogelhut24 wrote:The Kingdom of Deseret formally condones Asteria on the issue of the invasion of Guatemala. Guatemala is in the influence of the new world powers and condemns further influence of old world and alien powers on American soil. However, the kingdom recognizes that while the Theocracy of Asteria might be a heretical theocratic state, they have the right to spread their faith on their half of the planet.


So we’re thankful that you condone us for invading Guatemala :D . Most countries are unhappy with it for some reason…

Condone definition: accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).


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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby musashisamurai » 02 Jan 2020, 02:23

Mobius wishes to make it very publicly known that we do not support the annexation of Guatamala by Asteria, the international Coalition War against Asteria, or the realpolitik of the Cooperative and Ceona, who trade ideology and ethics for perceived gain without realizing how it supports the IWA (itself firmly stable through a collective ideology and goal). In short, we dislike nearly everything about this event and believe that the people of Guatamala have the right to choose, without Asterian, communist, or other intervention.

Mobius wishes to make it even more publicly known that we will honor our commitment to Asteria as allies if Asterian soil is attacked and invaded, and we will join this war on Asteria's side. We have begun the process of light mobilization to ensure our active-duty units are prepared, equipped, and ready to deploy; naval ships are having patrols and cruises re-routed for better strategic sense, and freighters that are part of our troop deployment strategy will be remaining at dock.

On the same token, Mobius offers Honolulu for a site for Earth powers to negotiate and to help arbitrate a satisfactory end to this conflict. This offer will remain until the end of hostilities, and we have prepared holdings and facilities for such a conference.

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Re: The Guatemalan War Main Thread

Postby Subotai45 » 02 Jan 2020, 08:35

The Federation disagrees with many aspects of the Mobian response, but is at least pleased that the Mobian empire does not outright condone the invasion. That being said, how does the Mobian state simultaneously oppose the annexation of Guatemala by Asteria, and also the legitimate international response formed to combat such an event?

We are utterly dismayed that Mobius sees our partners as "trading ethics for perceived gain." In what ethical system is supporting the imperialism of Asteria the just thing to do? Rather, it is Mobius who is trading their ideology and ethics for gain, and not the collection of dissimilar states that have been striving for a free Guatemala. By working to undermine the coalition in public statements such as these, failing to join the international response, and declining to ensure even the most basic compliance with international norms on the part of their ally, Mobius seeks to expand their influence by increasing Asterian power. If there is any nation in this situation practicing power politics, it is unquestionably the Mobian Empire.

Further, we question the wisdom of the escalation and the phrasing thereof, for it will assuredly embolden the imperialist Asterian regime. Will the Mobian government defend the "Asterian soil" of new-conquered Guatemala, and show themselves once again to be the true enemy of freedom?

We tried extensively to negotiate an acceptable case, as Mobius well knows from our prior communications. They know that Asterian demands included land and basing rights, diplomatic concessions, cash reparations, and Asterian religious and judicial influence in all coalition states. They know we tried long and hard to reach a deal, and developed one that protected the religious rights of Asterian Janisists, the neutrality of Guatemala, and gave the Asterians a substantial cash indemnity to avoid a war. They didn't take that deal, which offered them no costs and only advantages, for their greed knows no bounds.

There is no satisfactory end to this conflict that can be arrived at through peaceful means - even Mobius would shudder at the treaty their ally proposes. Peace will only come when the Guatemalan people, with the aid of the international community, through off the chains of the imperialist oppressor. When Asteria has had enough of the senseless bloodshed, they are welcome to use the established channels.
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