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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby RedSun » 01 Jul 2019, 03:43

mat.gopack wrote:I will also note that your economy is *not* communist. It is state controlled - which in this case is different, because you are a theocracy with no democratic elements. Your entire leadership is self appointed, with no consultation of the people.

Communism and socialism rely entirely on the means of production belonging to the people. In your nation, the entirety of your means of production belong to a cabal of unelected priests that get together to choose who the next unelected priest will be. That is not communism.


So… historically speaking communist countries have been one party states whose national leader has been chosen without consultation of the people. Some examples are the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba. Communism is an economic ideology not a political system.

We would be willing to engage in some talks moderated by the PCG to discuss our relationship.

But our current government allows for us to remain above partisan politics, maintain our faith, and still achieve relative economic equality. We won’t sacrifice the three of these pillars so if you have a democratic solution to propose that doesn’t divulge on this then we may issue a Declaration. If not we ask the IWA to not act rashly, branding us as “Fascists” which is deeply offensive to our people.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby RedSun » 01 Jul 2019, 03:46

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RedSun wrote:So as an ethno-centrist state we deny those charges as if you look under People and Society in our page it says:
“27.5% Japanese, 23.0% Chinese, 16.6% Korean, 10.4% Russian, 6.9% Mongolian, 5.5% Nomadic, 4.2% Uighur, 3.5% Phoenician, 2.1% Brazilian, 0.3% other”
So we have no ethnic Majority. Within the other we have Martians, Sino-Venusians and Cyborgs and within the Korean population we have two subgroups as well so the charge that we are ethno-centrist is false.



Judging from your own declarations:

All schools shall teach in standard Japanese. Linguistic unity is essential to cohesive social order.


Traditional Japanese names are encouraged. Any child or adult who wishes to change their legal name to a traditional Japanese name may up until October 21st, 4836.
Afterwards at the age of 15 every child henceforth may adopt a Japanese names should their parent have given them another one.


All Japanese cities are to be renamed. They shall adopt traditional Japanese names. The cities citizens may pick nominate three names for the city by write in vote of the people.


It is very clear that Japanese is seen as the default, and proper, cultural and ethnic situation in your nation. Please do not insult the intelligence of the IWA membership by pretending otherwise.


For teaching in Japanese. Is it not essential to state unity to be able to understand one another? If half the country doesn’t understand the other half little can be accomplished. Therefore it is necessary to institute such a degree. We have not prohibited other languages from being spoken. We have just issued that everyone must be able to speak Japanese.

For traditional Japanese names. It is entirely up to the individual whether or not to adopt a Japanese name. The Holy State does not require it, only encourages it.

Only Japanese cities were renamed in Japanese. No Chinese, Korean or Mongolian cities were renamed. It is simply restoring a historical memory.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby mat.gopack » 01 Jul 2019, 07:25

RedSun wrote:
mat.gopack wrote:I will also note that your economy is *not* communist. It is state controlled - which in this case is different, because you are a theocracy with no democratic elements. Your entire leadership is self appointed, with no consultation of the people.

Communism and socialism rely entirely on the means of production belonging to the people. In your nation, the entirety of your means of production belong to a cabal of unelected priests that get together to choose who the next unelected priest will be. That is not communism.


So… historically speaking communist countries have been one party states whose national leader has been chosen without consultation of the people. Some examples are the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba. Communism is an economic ideology not a political system.

We would be willing to engage in some talks moderated by the PCG to discuss our relationship.

But our current government allows for us to remain above partisan politics, maintain our faith, and still achieve relative economic equality. We won’t sacrifice the three of these pillars so if you have a democratic solution to propose that doesn’t divulge on this then we may issue a Declaration. If not we ask the IWA to not act rashly, branding us as “Fascists” which is deeply offensive to our people.

Communism, as we clearly explained, relies on the means of production being controlled by the working class. In the case of those *ancient* ones you have listed, even the least democratic of those at least had a veneer of elections and a vanguard party. Consultation of the people is a central tenant of even those societies and their political structure.

In comparison, your system does not even have the veneer of a general election to choose your leaders, just a literal cabal of priests at the very top.

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As for the discussion on your ethno-centrism, it is clear that you are favoring and promoting Japanese culture over the other ones within your nation. That is a simple fact, and the ethnic cleansing that has oft happened before in history has often started with such 'small' changes - though yours are very brazen and open in the promotion of Japanese.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby RedSun » 01 Jul 2019, 15:43

mat.gopack wrote:
RedSun wrote:
mat.gopack wrote:I will also note that your economy is *not* communist. It is state controlled - which in this case is different, because you are a theocracy with no democratic elements. Your entire leadership is self appointed, with no consultation of the people.

Communism and socialism rely entirely on the means of production belonging to the people. In your nation, the entirety of your means of production belong to a cabal of unelected priests that get together to choose who the next unelected priest will be. That is not communism.


So… historically speaking communist countries have been one party states whose national leader has been chosen without consultation of the people. Some examples are the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba. Communism is an economic ideology not a political system.

We would be willing to engage in some talks moderated by the PCG to discuss our relationship.

But our current government allows for us to remain above partisan politics, maintain our faith, and still achieve relative economic equality. We won’t sacrifice the three of these pillars so if you have a democratic solution to propose that doesn’t divulge on this then we may issue a Declaration. If not we ask the IWA to not act rashly, branding us as “Fascists” which is deeply offensive to our people.

Communism, as we clearly explained, relies on the means of production being controlled by the working class. In the case of those *ancient* ones you have listed, even the least democratic of those at least had a veneer of elections and a vanguard party. Consultation of the people is a central tenant of even those societies and their political structure.

In comparison, your system does not even have the veneer of a general election to choose your leaders, just a literal cabal of priests at the very top.

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As for the discussion on your ethno-centrism, it is clear that you are favoring and promoting Japanese culture over the other ones within your nation. That is a simple fact, and the ethnic cleansing that has oft happened before in history has often started with such 'small' changes - though yours are very brazen and open in the promotion of Japanese.


Yet communism is about removing the class system. In the Holy State even the Ichiji Seijin gets only 100,000 upon which to live. No more than the average most hardworking and devoted citizen. Sure the Holy State is not democratic in the traditional sense yet their is a system that allows even those born to scum who just live off the welfare of the state, that they can be faithful and reach the highest limits possible. The removal of an election system means that it is not 51% dictating what 49% must do but rather is dependent upon the individuals work.

No… only the Japanese language. The cities and people’s names are done only in Japan or by those who chose to do so themselves. It is only the Japanese language and even then we do not prevent or discourage secondary languages to be spoken.

Would you and your allies be willing to at least retract the slight labeling us as fascist? That was extremely offensive and blatantly false.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby mat.gopack » 01 Jul 2019, 16:04

Again - it does not matter what the monetary amount any individual citizen gets. What matters is the control of the means of production. If your Seijins decided to, they could unilaterally bump their pay up to whatever they wanted with no oversight (in addition to all the perks they no doubt already receive, making comparing them to a regular citizen laughable). *They* control your nation, *they* control your means of production. It is not communist. I remember we discussed this in some pms a while back.

By promoting the Japanese language (and culture, and promoting the adoption of its names, and so on), you are choosing it and elevating it above the others. By your own admission, less than a third of your nation is Japanese - and yet you're imposing that. Is it a *wrong* decision? Perhaps not, but it is ethno-centrist.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby musashisamurai » 02 Jul 2019, 05:28

Tabloids in Pacifica ran some articles flaming a a major nobleman who was reported commenting on the IWA and the recent attempts by theocrats to join:

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the Mobius State Department rejected these comments, and stated that Lord Irwin does not represent Mobius diplomatically.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby mat.gopack » 16 Sep 2019, 17:59

The IWA is putting together an updated roster of shared unit designs for member states in the IWA defense pact. In addition to revised versions of the current equipment, new designs will include space units, static defenses, and a few additional designs for ground forces.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby mat.gopack » 17 Sep 2019, 05:07

Fortification of West Africa

The Conakrian borders in Brazil have been fortified with the assistance of the IWA to a large degree in the past - standing strong and deterring imperialist aggression for centuries. Yet the great cities, bastion of the West African revolution, have been found to be woefully lacking in similar defenses.

Over the next three decades, the IWA as a whole will be assisting the WSUT in this fortification effort - creating five fortress cities: Conakry, Ekundayo, Lasogom, Olabode, and Tewodros. Each of these cities will be defended in a similar way - with a ring of powerful outer defenses - layers upon layers of shields, short and mid range artillery, a ring of forts and strongpoints, and plenty of AA. The cities will also contain integrated surface to orbit weaponry - in the form of a handful of Reaper installations and scattered Surface to Orbit Missiles.

As part of this effort, the cities will include a handful of new, defensively useful features - transferring much of the industry in protected underground locations, giving them the capacity to house, feed, and protect the entirety of the population of the West African heartland in an emergency, and connecting them to each other militarily through underground (temporary and 'permanent') tunnels.

In addition, the UPF will be constructing an area shield over West Africa, as a way to protect its population from bombardment while they take refuge in their new bastions - and, to commemorate this happy new event, constructing a series of beautiful parks around the border.
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Re: International Workingpeople's Association (CYOC)

Postby mat.gopack » 18 Dec 2019, 01:01

The Peoples' Republic of Turkey has been accepted as the newest member of the IWA
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