Stew Fall 1913

This game - Rivers and Seven Islands). GMd by asudevil. 3-way draw: France (haroonriaz); Italy (Diadem); Germany (presser84)
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Diadem » 25 Mar 2013, 17:52

Rejected.

This has to be the weirdest timing for a draw proposal I've seen so far. Both Austria and England are about to be eliminated, with neither of them in a position to play kingmaker or to manipulate one player against the other.

Austria's death is pretty much certain. Even with support from both Germany and Turkey (and why would do they do that?) he won't survive. So why would I accept a draw now, when 1 season later we'd have 1 less player - and 2 seasons later we'd most likely have 2 fewer players?

Also: You posted this proposal 3 hours before the deadline? Odds are some players won't even see it before it gets invalidated by the arrival of the next movement season :)
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Gooderian » 25 Mar 2013, 17:54

Diadem wrote:Rejected.



LOL.

Didn´t expect the one who proposed the previous DIAS to reject this one.

(I understand the reasons behind it, don´t begin about that!)
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Pedros » 25 Mar 2013, 18:10

Read the rules Diadem.
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Diadem » 25 Mar 2013, 23:50

Pedros wrote:Read the rules Diadem.

You're no doubt refering to the rules saying that draw proposals are active for 2 seasons.

But unless you want to argue that dead players can be included in a draw, this proposal would still have been dead after the deadline, with very high likelihood.
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby asudevil » 26 Mar 2013, 02:41

It would still be a DIAS and I wouldn't need Thor's acceptance....
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Pedros » 26 Mar 2013, 13:54

Exactly!
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Diadem » 26 Mar 2013, 16:45

I'm confused. Are you saying Thor could be included in a draw now, even though he's already dead? That seems weird.

And the rules say Austria is already eliminated, even though he still has territories. I remember a recent thread on that issue, though I can't find it right now.
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Pedros » 26 Mar 2013, 16:58

Yes, Thor is officially eliminate - no unit and no control of a home centre.

And no, that's not what we're saying. DIAS is what it says - "Draw including all survivors". Before this phase he would have been included; now he wouldn't.

But that draw's dead, so no worry!
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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby haroonriaz » 26 Mar 2013, 21:14

Diadem wrote:Rejected.

This has to be the weirdest timing for a draw proposal I've seen so far. Both Austria and England are about to be eliminated, with neither of them in a position to play kingmaker or to manipulate one player against the other.

Austria's death is pretty much certain. Even with support from both Germany and Turkey (and why would do they do that?) he won't survive. So why would I accept a draw now, when 1 season later we'd have 1 less player - and 2 seasons later we'd most likely have 2 fewer players?

Also: You posted this proposal 3 hours before the deadline? Odds are some players won't even see it before it gets invalidated by the arrival of the next movement season :)


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Re: Stew Fall 1913

Postby Diadem » 27 Mar 2013, 00:06

Pedros wrote:Yes, Thor is officially eliminate - no unit and no control of a home centre.

And no, that's not what we're saying. DIAS is what it says - "Draw including all survivors". Before this phase he would have been included; now he wouldn't.

But that draw's dead, so no worry!

Yeah, I know it's all academic, but huh? Are you saying DIAS means "All survivors at the time the draw is accepted" and not "all survivors at the time the draw is proposed"?
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