Rules Summary (official)

[ogodwatisthis]

Quick question about fleets again.

First of all, I love Full and Empty fleets - makes a lot of sense and makes the game more interesting.

But I do find the rules about how a full fleet can separate into an empty fleet very confusing and can never keep them straight.

I really really ask if it would be possible to just let a full fleet split into an empty fleet and an empty army on any turn, with each unit making a normal move?

But if not, can you please tell me, if a full fleet is in port (i.e. in a province on a sea or river), what can the army and empty fleet do if they want to separate? Can they each move, or only the empty fleet move, or only the army move?

If you want to avoid tedious explanations and just say they can each do a normal move, it is ok by me

i discussed this very thing last game with mag as it is confusing , and i believe we settled on that with regards to a full fleet, one half of the 'full' fleet must remain stationary during one season if you want to separate. the move out of the fleet would then leave an empty fleet in that province with the army in an adjoining land province, OR the army remains in the initial province and the empty fleet moves to an adjoining river/sea/land province (which is not 'captured')

hope that clears it up, i think the full fleet section in the rules pretty much covers it though

[Magmaniac]

Quick question about fleets again.

First of all, I love Full and Empty fleets - makes a lot of sense and makes the game more interesting.

But I do find the rules about how a full fleet can separate into an empty fleet very confusing and can never keep them straight.

I really really ask if it would be possible to just let a full fleet split into an empty fleet and an empty army on any turn, with each unit making a normal move?

But if not, can you please tell me, if a full fleet is in port (i.e. in a province on a sea or river), what can the army and empty fleet do if they want to separate? Can they each move, or only the empty fleet move, or only the army move?

If you want to avoid tedious explanations and just say they can each do a normal move, it is ok by me

i discussed this very thing last game with mag as it is confusing , and i believe we settled on that with regards to a full fleet, one half of the 'full' fleet must remain stationary during one season if you want to separate. the move out of the fleet would then leave an empty fleet in that province with the army in an adjoining land province, OR the army remains in the initial province and the empty fleet moves to an adjoining river/sea/land province (which is not 'captured')

hope that clears it up, i think the full fleet section in the rules pretty much covers it though

Right, so you can separate a fleet by moving the army or the empy fleet, so long as the other half is holding.

[Steppenwulf]

Quick question about fleets again.

First of all, I love Full and Empty fleets - makes a lot of sense and makes the game more interesting.

But I do find the rules about how a full fleet can separate into an empty fleet very confusing and can never keep them straight.

I really really ask if it would be possible to just let a full fleet split into an empty fleet and an empty army on any turn, with each unit making a normal move?

But if not, can you please tell me, if a full fleet is in port (i.e. in a province on a sea or river), what can the army and empty fleet do if they want to separate? Can they each move, or only the empty fleet move, or only the army move?

If you want to avoid tedious explanations and just say they can each do a normal move, it is ok by me

i discussed this very thing last game with mag as it is confusing , and i believe we settled on that with regards to a full fleet, one half of the 'full' fleet must remain stationary during one season if you want to separate. the move out of the fleet would then leave an empty fleet in that province with the army in an adjoining land province, OR the army remains in the initial province and the empty fleet moves to an adjoining river/sea/land province (which is not 'captured')

hope that clears it up, i think the full fleet section in the rules pretty much covers it though

Right, so you can separate a fleet by moving the army or the empy fleet, so long as the other half is holding.

Thanks - much simpler. Cool!

[raphtown]

So, does that mean if you are moving downstream, you could move one square down the river and then move the army off the ship as the second move? Is anything involving offloading or loading permitted in a double-move?

Could you move the fleet one square downstream and then load an army onto it while the fleet holds, both on the same turn?

[Magmaniac]

No, the fleet's double move can only be two moves, otherwise order adjudication would be far too complicated. The mechanic is meant to be a way to represent the difference between sailing upriver an downriver, so if a fleet was holding to pick up or disembark an army it would be stationary and thus not using the river's current as an advantage.

[Stander]

3.3 When an army leaves a fleet, the empty fleet left behind may do a convoy on the same turn.

8.2 If an army tries to board and empty fleet that is convoying an army, the result is a stand off. The convoy fails and the army fails to capture the fleet.

Rule 3.3
Using the current map situation am I right in thinking that if I wanted to this turn I could order (say) A(8) - Mir + F(8) C A(Mig) - Saf + A(Mig) - Saf and assuming nobody else's orders caused a bounce that this lot would be all work?

Rule 8.2
What happens if the army attempting to board and steal an empty fleet (which is convoying) has that move supported?
Does it make any difference at all or would it still bounce whilst still preventing the convoy?
And what dfifferences would there be if the convoyed army was supported into it's target province? Would an unspported attck on a empty convoying fleet still disrupt that convoy? Would it still disrput the convoy if the army was supported into it's target and the empty fleet was also supported to hold.

[Stander]

Random *cough* to see if anyone wants to reply to my post above?

[ogodwatisthis]

Random *cough* to see if anyone wants to reply to my post above?

3.3 you are correct

8.2 those are some good questions XD and its early, i will get back with a firm answer after class when i can think straight, that is , one that makes sense in regards to the other rules already put forth. i dont want to make a confusing rule statement now...that ok?

[Steppenwulf]

Random *cough* to see if anyone wants to reply to my post above?

3.3 you are correct

8.2 those are some good questions XD and its early, i will get back with a firm answer after class when i can think straight, that is , one that makes sense in regards to the other rules already put forth. i dont want to make a confusing rule statement now...that ok?

Just for my 2 cents, a fleet convoying an army can't be stronger than a full fleet. So I would assume the fleet would be dislodged and the convoy interrupted if there was a support on the order to attack the fleet (and no corresponding support for the fleet doing the convoying).

A couple of more questions, however. Is it possible to support an order to steal a fleet. For example, can you order an army to move to an enemy empty fleet, and order your own nearby fleet to support that order?

And, can you order the army from within your own full fleet to take over a neighbouring enemy's empty fleet (leaving you with an empty fleet, and a captured full fleet)?

[ogodwatisthis]

3.3 When an army leaves a fleet, the empty fleet left behind may do a convoy on the same turn.

8.2 If an army tries to board and empty fleet that is convoying an army, the result is a stand off. The convoy fails and the army fails to capture the fleet.

Rule 3.3
Using the current map situation am I right in thinking that if I wanted to this turn I could order (say) A(8) - Mir + F(8) C A(Mig) - Saf + A(Mig) - Saf and assuming nobody else's orders caused a bounce that this lot would be all work?

Rule 8.2
What happens if the army attempting to board and steal an empty fleet (which is convoying) has that move supported?
Does it make any difference at all or would it still bounce whilst still preventing the convoy?
And what dfifferences would there be if the convoyed army was supported into it's target province? Would an unspported attck on a empty convoying fleet still disrupt that convoy? Would it still disrput the convoy if the army was supported into it's target and the empty fleet was also supported to hold.

What happens if the army attempting to board and steal an empty fleet (which is convoying) has that move supported?
Does it make any difference at all or would it still bounce whilst still preventing the convoy?

the convoy is disrupted and the attack succeeds, the supported army would have power 2, the convoyed would just be 1

And what dfifferences would there be if the convoyed army was supported into it's target province? Would an unspported attck on a empty convoying fleet still disrupt that convoy? Would it still disrput the convoy if the army was supported into it's target and the empty fleet was also supported to hold

if you supported into the fleet, the convoy would be broken and the support would never apply as it wouldnt be moving to the destination...think of it as two moves in one..to the fleet, then to the shore, so interrupt the middle, the shore doesnt matter. the convoy is only disrupted if the fleet is dislodged barring the above case of army supported in...


armies cannot move between two fleets without first landing on shore