Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby Strategus » 15 Dec 2018, 16:12

DavidMaletsky wrote:If racism is inevitable, it’s due to discontentment; not multiculturalism, not human nature, discontentment. The source of the discontentment can range from existential to economic, but people that are truly happy don’t have a psychological need to run down “the other”.

The antonym of multiculturalism, if you look in a thesaurus, is nationalism. Which is by its definition a prejudicial belief state: my country, its people and its way of life are superior to others. Multiculturalism attempts to foster understanding and at least tacit acceptance of others; so, at least deductively, racism doesn’t fall out of multiculturalism.

And it should be patently obvious to anyone whose senses aren’t faulty that if you spot another entity running around that is similar to you in all regards other than skin color, said entity is probably A LOT more similar to you than say a rock, tree, panther, etc.; among the most likely candidates you will find to ascribe recognizable personhood to. Of course, humans that are struggling with socioeconomic inequity, disease, war, etc., are frequently assholes, but there’s nothing about our genetics entailing racism.

The last thing I would mention is that belief isn’t dichotomous. You don’t have to agree with something or disagree with it; it’s possible to withhold or suspend judgment on matters.
discontenredness would not lead to racism unless there is a multicultural element, and a "logical" reason to vent displeasure at one or more race.
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby V » 15 Dec 2018, 17:15

Strategus wrote:
DavidMaletsky wrote:If racism is inevitable, it’s due to discontentment; not multiculturalism, not human nature, discontentment. The source of the discontentment can range from existential to economic, but people that are truly happy don’t have a psychological need to run down “the other”.

The antonym of multiculturalism, if you look in a thesaurus, is nationalism. Which is by its definition a prejudicial belief state: my country, its people and its way of life are superior to others. Multiculturalism attempts to foster understanding and at least tacit acceptance of others; so, at least deductively, racism doesn’t fall out of multiculturalism.

And it should be patently obvious to anyone whose senses aren’t faulty that if you spot another entity running around that is similar to you in all regards other than skin color, said entity is probably A LOT more similar to you than say a rock, tree, panther, etc.; among the most likely candidates you will find to ascribe recognizable personhood to. Of course, humans that are struggling with socioeconomic inequity, disease, war, etc., are frequently assholes, but there’s nothing about our genetics entailing racism.

The last thing I would mention is that belief isn’t dichotomous. You don’t have to agree with something or disagree with it; it’s possible to withhold or suspend judgment on matters.
discontenredness would not lead to racism unless there is a multicultural element, and a "logical" reason to vent displeasure at one or more race.


A quick interjection into what is becoming a very thought provoking discussion. I support the above comment by Strategus that discontent alone cannot in itself lead to racism. The late 70’s in UK had huge discontent & frustration for myself & many other young people I grew up with. Predominantly we blamed England (not foreigners) & as such went to many locations around the world to build our fortunes. No nation deserved such allegiance as to stifle our ambitions.
In this situation discontent led to the opposite of Nationalism & definitely not Racism. As Strategus said there has to be a “logical” reason to attribute misfortune & discontent on another race. There was none, the English were to blame in our eyes!
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby UFO Fever » 15 Dec 2018, 21:04

Seriously, how the fuck are you guys okay with the "racism is just the victim's fault?" Should we go tell every lynching victim that they would have been fine if they hadn't gotten all offended about it? Same with every murder and rape victim?
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby Strategus » 15 Dec 2018, 21:58

UFO Fever wrote:Seriously, how the fuck are you guys okay with the "racism is just the victim's fault?" Should we go tell every lynching victim that they would have been fine if they hadn't gotten all offended about it? Same with every murder and rape victim?

WTF?
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby condude1 » 15 Dec 2018, 22:45

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condude1 wrote:Racism is inevitable from lack of education. What might be true is that multiculturalism makes racists act more overtly, but it doesn't cause racism. I'm of the opinion that racism generally stems from people saying "Wow, my life sucks. Who's fault is it?". Next to no one will admit that their life sucks because they were sniffing glue in school rather than trying to get an education, or that they were unable to learn from their mistakes because they felt like they were infallible, so they kept making them. Instead, people realize that they've missed their goals, and want to blame something, ANYTHING that isn't themselves because it's a lot harder to live with yourself if you realize that you're the person who screwed yourself over, not some bogeyman group that is the target of your hatred today (be it blacks, muslims, asians, immigrants, Irish, Catholics, Protestant, atheists, hindus, armenians, whites... I think you get the idea).

And then there are those who gain from racists. The people who shout "Look, it's [Insert demographic scapegoat here], it's their fault!". Politicians, community leaders, religious leaders etc. who want a group of people mobilized against a different one, whether it's to divert attention or to remove people who don't support you, or even to just get rid of a group you don't like.

I'd say that cultures who are multicultural are generally less racist, it's just more apparent. If you're living in your entirely white town and no one enters or leaves, you can't really go around lynching black people.

I honestly don't believe that prejudices are due to lack of education. It is a possible contributory factor, but there are a lot of very well educated bigots out there. I think it is more about cultural upbringing, either from family or peer groups.


I'm not saying it's a necessary prerequisite, but lack of education is definitely correlated with prejudice and racism. Of course well educated people can be bigots, but it's not nearly as common.
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby UFO Fever » 15 Dec 2018, 22:52

Strategus wrote:
UFO Fever wrote:Seriously, how the fuck are you guys okay with the "racism is just the victim's fault?" Should we go tell every lynching victim that they would have been fine if they hadn't gotten all offended about it? Same with every murder and rape victim?

WTF?


Oh Cheese has, in two separate posts, said "racism is the victim's fault." to which there has been one "I agree with this 100%." and another "I agree with this" (the second one coming from you). So, how the fuck are you okay with this? Why the fuck has no one else called out that absolutely ridiculous statement?
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby Strategus » 15 Dec 2018, 23:14

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Strategus wrote:
UFO Fever wrote:Seriously, how the fuck are you guys okay with the "racism is just the victim's fault?" Should we go tell every lynching victim that they would have been fine if they hadn't gotten all offended about it? Same with every murder and rape victim?

WTF?


Oh Cheese has, in two separate posts, said "racism is the victim's fault." to which there has been one "I agree with this 100%." and another "I agree with this" (the second one coming from you). So, how the fuck are you okay with this? Why the fuck has no one else called out that absolutely ridiculous statement?

As far as I can see, he didn't say that?
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby UFO Fever » 15 Dec 2018, 23:54

Good to know you don't read posts you quote and say you agree to!
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby Strategus » 16 Dec 2018, 00:28

UFO Fever wrote:Good to know you don't read posts you quote and say you agree to!

He misquoted you.
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Re: Is racism somewhat inevitable from multiculturalism?

Postby UFO Fever » 16 Dec 2018, 00:32

Strategus wrote:
UFO Fever wrote:Good to know you don't read posts you quote and say you agree to!

He misquoted you.

The pronouns you use here do not make sense. Read both of Oh Cheese's posts. In both, he says that racism only exists because the victims are offended by it. You said you agreed with the second post he made where he said that.
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