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Would you let your employer microchip you?

Yes
6
25%
No
18
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby Fuddin » 31 Jul 2017, 18:53

uzes90 wrote:What if the chip gave you some benefits? LIke "mind-to-internet" connection?

There are certainly some cool ways these chips could potentially be used, but I'd feel too uncomfortable with the idea of putting something permanent in my body (or if not quite permanent, at least not easily removable) to use it.

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Re: Microchip employees

Postby Cardlinger » 31 Jul 2017, 19:14

I think the negatives outweigh the positives in this situation.

Other forms of technology I'd be all over (thinking about how Glass has found a new lease of life in the workplace). And I read about someone modding a RFID chip so they could use it as a travel card.

So there are some precursors. The things that would boil it down for me was:

1) medical: what risk of rejection? Of it wandering and ending up in a blood vessel and causing me to have an aneurysm? Things move internally, that's already known. I'd want to be aware of the medical risks, since risk management is something we all do all day.

2) convenience vs security: what am I giving up in terms of data, privacy and overall security in exchange? Another thing we constantly do, when we shop with a credit card, log onto facebook, or post a letter.

3) employment/remuneration: what are the influence factors at play here? Is refusing also ensuring no pay rises, promotions, or autonomy? If so it's more of a 'this job isn't for me' rather than 'this option isn't for me'.

I think since 1) is unclear, 2) is weighed in favour of the employer, and 3) is unclear, I'd be inclined to pass and keep using logins, an RFID in my wallet and cash money to do the jobs they fancy. If UPS can do some analysis and find out fobs open doors quicker than keys I suspect other workplaces will try and pull the same. Hopefully a brisk union response will water down the most nefarious aims (massively reduced costs for increased profits to a few, and restricted autonomy for staff) in favour of broader ones (genuine convenience/efficiency, perhaps shared profits across the company...halcyon days).

A long way of saying I agree with everyone else. But I thought Glass was pretty cool, and what's the next step...something like in this Black Mirror episode :/

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Re: Microchip employees

Postby Pootleflump » 31 Jul 2017, 20:12

Those Black Mirror episodes really freaked me out, lol.

Very clever and compulsive viewing - but I couldn't sleep for ages afterwards!
But, I nearly forgot, you must close your eyes otherwise you won't see anything

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Re: Microchip employees

Postby StarkAdder » 31 Jul 2017, 20:13

I seem to be the only "Yes" vote so far. My reasoning: like it or not, it's coming. I already have to use an ID to get into my office, and another one plus a password to log on. I live in fear of the odd day when I forget or lose my ID card -- it's not fun to spend an 8-hour workday without computer access nowadays. The way the chip is explained (no tracking capability, used for a variety of purposes) I find it no more onerous or nefarious than an ID card system, and we need to do something to fight back against cyber-criminals more effectively. If having a chip allowed me to use an ATM more securely, I'd support that too.
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby Strategus » 31 Jul 2017, 20:17

StarkAdder wrote:I seem to be the only "Yes" vote so far. My reasoning: like it or not, it's coming. I already have to use an ID to get into my office, and another one plus a password to log on. I live in fear of the odd day when I forget or lose my ID card -- it's not fun to spend an 8-hour workday without computer access nowadays. The way the chip is explained (no tracking capability, used for a variety of purposes) I find it no more onerous or nefarious than an ID card system, and we need to do something to fight back against cyber-criminals more effectively. If having a chip allowed me to use an ATM more securely, I'd support that too.

As if identity theft isn't bad enough already...they will be able to clone you, as well as your credit card.
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby PatCleburne » 31 Jul 2017, 21:06

See, I think you all are way less principled than you think you are. If your employer said "listen, we'll give you five grand if you let us put this chip in you while you work here. It's cheaper for us, and anyway it's temporary," I bet sixty percent of the people in this conversation would take the money (myself included). I'm more or less tracked all the time anyway, since I have a smartphone. Why not get paid for it?

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Re: Microchip employees

Postby V » 31 Jul 2017, 21:13

I said 30, annually, in advance. 5! Stick that.:-)
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby Don Juan of Austria » 31 Jul 2017, 21:30

Fuddin wrote:
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Hey, Don Juan! You're from New Hampshire? Did you know that in your home state, prisoners stamp license plates with that motto?


Not aware, and don't really mind that they do.
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby amino » 31 Jul 2017, 22:40

uzes90 wrote:What if the chip gave you some benefits? LIke "mind-to-internet" connection?

This would actually be a con for me. The internet makes me massively unproductive, since the point of my job (studying) and the point of my job later (graduate school) rely on being able to think deeply for 3-4 hours at a time. The internet is directly opposed to that. (Of course, the internet is also supremely useful. But I want the ability to easily ignore it completely if I need to, and having it embedded in my body strikes me as placing way too much emphasis on my own self-control).

I would much rather have the freedom to set down all my cards and id's and phones and anything that forces to me to connect to someone else's idea of what's important 24/7.
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Re: Microchip employees

Postby condude1 » 31 Jul 2017, 22:56

It all depends. If I knew that there was no way for it to track me outside the office, and did improve my quality of life at work, I'd probably go for it. Most people lose WAY more security from carrying around a smartphone all the time anyways. Maybe it would be even better if it automatically went off once you left the office.
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