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Re: Islamic State

Postby ruffdove » 30 Apr 2016, 13:16

Well, Israel is another matter. At least the official reasoning behind our alliance with Turkey made sense.
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Re: Islamic State

Postby Morlock » 09 May 2016, 13:29

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supporting Kurdistan begins a rift with Turkey, a NATO ally and really the most committed US ally in the region.


Depends on what Kurds you support, really. The KRG in northern Iraq have strong economic and political ties to Turkey while PKK/YPG fights it. Erdogan actually has had a lot of support among kurdish voters.
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Re: Islamic State

Postby Malevolence » 09 May 2016, 17:00

Morlocken wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

supporting Kurdistan begins a rift with Turkey, a NATO ally and really the most committed US ally in the region.


Depends on what Kurds you support, really. The KRG in northern Iraq have strong economic and political ties to Turkey while PKK/YPG fights it. Erdogan actually has had a lot of support among kurdish voters.


All very true. But both due to the lack of that knowledge amongst most American policy makers and the fact that arms would spill over inevitably in a war zone, I still would argue the end result would be diplomatic troubles.
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Re: Islamic State

Postby steelfish » 11 Sep 2016, 22:06

Thunborg wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

supporting Kurdistan begins a rift with Turkey, a NATO ally and really the most committed US ally in the region.


Depends on what Kurds you support, really. The KRG in northern Iraq have strong economic and political ties to Turkey while PKK/YPG fights it. Erdogan actually has had a lot of support among kurdish voters.



If Turkey is the most committed US ally in the region then we (the US and NATO) are truly and royally screwed. Turkey is no longer lurching into a Islamic State it is now making a head-long dash into a religious state along the lines of Iran.
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Re: Islamic State

Postby Antigonos » 13 Sep 2016, 21:34

Thunborg wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

supporting Kurdistan begins a rift with Turkey, a NATO ally and really the most committed US ally in the region.


Depends on what Kurds you support, really. The KRG in northern Iraq have strong economic and political ties to Turkey while PKK/YPG fights it. Erdogan actually has had a lot of support among kurdish voters.


The PKK/YPG is very effective at fighting IS, maintaining decent relations with non-Kurds in Syria and working with the US, Russia and the Syrian government which is what is needed to at defeat IS (at least as a territorial power). It is my impression that the KRG is increasingly corrupt and that at least part of it's fighting reputation is based on past performance and excellent public relations. As to Turkey I have think Erdogan is even now not really interested in the elimination of IS territorial power and has not given up hope of destroying the Syrian state.

It seems to me that finding some long term settlement may well mean parts of Syria and Iraq will have increased formal autonomy and even (in Kurdish territory) independence but that such a settlement can not come prior to the achievement of some degree of stabilization in the region even if that is years away. I would also contend that Turkish territorial unity does not deserve to be fetishized over that of Syria, Iraq and, yes, Israel.
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