Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

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I agree that these are immoral

Porn - immoral
11
9%
Smoking - immoral
10
9%
Obesity - immoral
6
5%
Gambling - immoral
8
7%
Drunkenness - immoral
12
10%
Breaking a promise - immoral
33
28%
Losing your patience - immoral
6
5%
Holding a grudge - immoral
12
10%
Not keeping the Sabbath holy - immoral
10
9%
Sex before marriage - immoral
9
8%
 
Total votes : 117

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Postby beowulf7 » 27 Oct 2011, 19:01

Dl said
Porn - immoral - not illegal
Smoking - immoral - not illegal
Adultery - immoral - not illegal
Obesity - immoral - not illegal
Gambling - immoral - not illegal
Drunkenness - immoral - not illegal
Breaking a promise - immoral - not illegal
Losing your patience - immoral - not illegal
Holding a grudge - immoral - not illegal
Not keeping the Sabbath holy - immoral - not illegal
Sex before marriage - immoral - not illegal
Idolatry - immoral - not illegal
..and...
Homosexuality - immoral - not illegal


The poll will only take 10 but please tick those you agree on
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby dlbrenner » 27 Oct 2011, 19:03

An Atheist's revision of morality.

NOW you DO have my interest... :geek:
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby TheCraw » 27 Oct 2011, 21:14

None of the above. Image
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Postby Kian » 27 Oct 2011, 21:48

None of the above. Image
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby sinnybee » 27 Oct 2011, 21:55

Beo, why are some of these in bold?

Disclaimer: Just because I consider something to have a degree of immorality to it, it doesn't mean I hold others to the same standards I hold myself to. Many of my friends engage in several of the things on this list. I usually try to encourage my friends and others to do what they believe to be right. Also, I don't claim to have never done what I consider to be immoral.

beowulf7 wrote:Dl said
Porn - immoral - not illegal
What's your definition of porn?
It's probably all immoral.

Smoking - immoral - not illegal
Unhealthy for the body. I believe it is immoral.
Adultery - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Obesity - immoral - not illegal
Medical conditions exist in certain cases that give rise to obesity. This is certainly not immoral.
However, I think that unless medical conditions are in the way, it is good to engage in healthy living, including exercise, a proper diet, and maintaining an ideal weight.

Gambling - immoral - not illegal
I certainly think that there are at least some forms of gambling that should not be engaged in, that ruin lives, break up families, and waste time.
I don't think money and time (or at least not excessive amounts) should be thrown away into slot machines.
I think there's nothing wrong with a friendly, interactive, IRL game of poker, betting candy or something trivial.

Drunkenness - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Breaking a promise - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Losing your patience - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Holding a grudge - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Not keeping the Sabbath holy - immoral - not illegal
I believe it is immoral.
Sex before marriage - immoral - not illegal
I used to think this was always immoral. I believe that there are cases in which this is immoral, but I'm not sure if it is always the case.
Idolatry - immoral - not illegal
I do believe that for those who can be held accountable to a belief in God, that all forms of idolatry should be avoided and that nothing should be worshiped other than God.
..and...
Homosexuality - immoral - not illegal
Nope, I do not believe it is immoral.
However, I'm also not real excited about what many consider to be the definition of homosexuality.
Homosexuality doesn't even have to involve sex as far as I'm concerned.
No matter what the definition though, I don't think there's anything wrong with homosexuality in comparison to heterosexuality.

Why don't more of you feel that it's immoral to break a promise?
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby TheCraw » 27 Oct 2011, 22:57

sinnybee wrote:Obesity - immoral - not illegal
Medical conditions exist in certain cases that give rise to obesity. This is certainly not immoral.
However, I think that unless medical conditions are in the way, it is good to engage in healthy living, including exercise, a proper diet, and maintaining an ideal weight.

Adding on to that (ahem) broad statement, a very close friend is overweight.
She has suffered from crippling juvenile rheumatoid arthritis since she was 14 years old.
She is allergic to trees (the bark of willow trees being the source of Aspirin & NSAIDS) and thus most over-the-counter pain medications.
For most of her 15th year, she was confined to bed with Hepatitis B.

...As a result, she is overweight, and exercise is damn near imposable. I do not consider her "immoral". Do you DL?
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby beowulf7 » 27 Oct 2011, 23:35

Beo, why are some of these in bold?


To be honest, Sinnybee, because I find declaring those ones "immoral" an act of immorality in itself! It was just a :o

And I'm sorry for not including "none of the above" - I already had to trim DL's list down to 10. To make sure I got included I voted for one I don't regard as immoral (shrug)

Dl said
An Atheist's revision of morality
- why "revision" - are you suggesting that the "original" version of morality is the one you hold?
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby sinnybee » 28 Oct 2011, 05:27

If my views sound strict, it may be because I'm around kids a lot.
When I see "Losing your patience", I think "hitting", which is not tolerated.

If "Breaking a promise" isn't immoral, is anything at all immoral? Are there not ethics that are not covered in clear law? If there's nothing wrong with breaking promises, is there any value on your word? Should promises never be made? Fill me in here.
Should citizens not be able to be upset when a politician breaks a promise?

Beowulf, TheCraw, Kian (and anyone who didn't check the "Breaking a promise - immoral" box): You would have no problem making me or someone else a promise and then breaking that promise? You wouldn't say "sorry"? You would feel no remorse whatsoever?
I'm not talking about saying you won't attack Holland in Diplomacy, I'm talking about a promise outside of a game, a promise about something serious.

(Unfortunately, this poll doesn't show the percentage how many voted for each divided by the total number of poll takers, which make the figures fairly useless, just showing the comparitive votes. There could have been as many as 71 or as few as 13 poll takers.)
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby beowulf7 » 28 Oct 2011, 09:41

Beowulf, TheCraw, Kian (and anyone who didn't check the "Breaking a promise - immoral" box): You would have no problem making me or someone else a promise and then breaking that promise? You wouldn't say "sorry"? You would feel no remorse whatsoever?


I do - but personally I feel remorse is not about "morality" - we may be splitting hairs. I don't see morality at the heart of every time someone acts other than for the good of others.

And sorry about the none of the above option :(

But as I did not vote for breaking a promise there are votes from at least 16 people
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Re: Working on a Sunday to keep me in beer and bets

Postby TheCraw » 28 Oct 2011, 16:10

Sinny, I didn't say breaking a promise was "OK". (although, I mean, this is the Diplomacy website. People break promises here all the time)

on the other thread I responded:
PoliticallyCorrectCraw wrote:Porn - sacrilegious (but fun)- not illegal
Smoking - very unhealthy - not illegal
Adultery - sacrilegious - not illegal
Obesity - very unhealthy - not illegal
Gambling - character flaw - not illegal
Drunkenness - very unhealthy - not illegal
Breaking a promise - mean - not illegal
Losing your patience - character flaw - not illegal
Holding a grudge - character flaw - not illegal
Not keeping the Sabbath holy - sacrilegious - not illegal
Sex before marriage - sacrilegious - not illegal
Idolatry - sacrilegious - not illegal
..and...
Homosexuality - sacrilegious - not illegal
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