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Postby schocker » 07 Nov 2020, 01:56

Is it intolerance of other opinions or maybe, just a lack of interest?
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Re: Debates died

Postby Malarky » 09 Nov 2020, 11:12

Lack of interest, I think. Maybe the people who used to participate aren't here as much any more. Maybe it's the fact that people have more on their plate personally and just aren't interested in arguing through topics here.
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Re: Debates died

Postby sroca » 09 Nov 2020, 21:34

schocker wrote:Is it intolerance of other opinions or maybe, just a lack of interest?

*old man voice* I remember the 2008 "Pit of Flames". Now that was a time. The presence of intolerance definitely didn't keep us from debating.
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Re: Debates died

Postby schocker » 10 Nov 2020, 19:43

So it is a lack of interest.
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Re: Debates died

Postby sroca » 10 Nov 2020, 19:55

schocker wrote:So it is a lack of interest.

Just start a post about election fraud and I'm sure you'll get some takers. ;)
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Re: Debates died

Postby schocker » 21 Nov 2020, 00:09

How about you start it and I will be the first poster!
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Re: Debates died

Postby Keirador » 23 Nov 2020, 00:40

There was a time when Debates was largely populated by people who disagreed with each other, but could still have a discussion in good faith. Even when things got heated and people got mad, there was a shared commitment to universal epistemological principles: at a minimum, arguments should be based on evidence, and evidence that could withstand scrutiny was accepted by all parties as facts. Off the top of my head, some particularly long threads featuring furious, passionate debate on, for instance, gun control or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could see debate participants get angry enough to stoop to insulting each other or making accusations of aiding and abetting murder, but even at the ugliest the participants could still agree on things like how many people die in gun-related incidents per year or what the text of an Israeli law actually said.

Then came the era of Fake News. Now if a certain kind of "debater" doesn't like a fact presented as evidenced, they don't even dispute it, they just attack the source and assert their own warped version of reality. The "fuck your feelings" crowd believes their own feelings are all they need to generate facts, and anything that runs contrary to that is part of some lie or hoax.

There's nothing to debate there.

It' not just the PlayDip Debates forum that has experienced this, obviously. The whole world is struggling with the implications of this epistemological break. There's not that much to debate at all nowadays, unless and until we can somehow find our way back to a shared commitment to epistemological principles.
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Re: Debates died

Postby sroca » 23 Nov 2020, 22:33

Keirador wrote:There was a time when Debates was largely populated by people who disagreed with each other, but could still have a discussion in good faith. Even when things got heated and people got mad, there was a shared commitment to universal epistemological principles: at a minimum, arguments should be based on evidence, and evidence that could withstand scrutiny was accepted by all parties as facts. Off the top of my head, some particularly long threads featuring furious, passionate debate on, for instance, gun control or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could see debate participants get angry enough to stoop to insulting each other or making accusations of aiding and abetting murder, but even at the ugliest the participants could still agree on things like how many people die in gun-related incidents per year or what the text of an Israeli law actually said.

Then came the era of Fake News. Now if a certain kind of "debater" doesn't like a fact presented as evidenced, they don't even dispute it, they just attack the source and assert their own warped version of reality. The "fuck your feelings" crowd believes their own feelings are all they need to generate facts, and anything that runs contrary to that is part of some lie or hoax.

There's nothing to debate there.

It' not just the PlayDip Debates forum that has experienced this, obviously. The whole world is struggling with the implications of this epistemological break. There's not that much to debate at all nowadays, unless and until we can somehow find our way back to a shared commitment to epistemological principles.

Well this is a brilliant breakdown of something I hadn't quite articulated in my own mind. This is probably the same foundational reason of why debates never worked on Facebook. Or Parler now for the conservative crowd which is a concerning development on its own.

Thanks for the insight Keirador.
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Re: Debates died

Postby Keirador » 24 Nov 2020, 05:46

I'll say debates on Facebook used to work for me, most of the time, until Fake News became the new rallying-cry. Pre-2015, even people who disagreed with me would largely credit my sources, unless they had specific, factual reasons to dispute them.
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Re: Debates died

Postby bratsffl » 25 Nov 2020, 01:22

The term Fake News in and of itself is a little incorrect.

Most media outlets for years have been reporting inaccuracies. In this day of FB and other social media platforms, instant rebuttals can occur. Those rebuttals can also be inaccurate, and the chain goes on.

Personally, I lost most respect for the major media outlets about 10 years ago when 3 stories I had first hand knowledge were reported 360 degrees inaccurately for more sensationalistic stories.

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