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kimbyrle wrote:Since I have some unexpected extra bonus time because day started earlier than the clock said...

I read Wyse's strategy post from 2011 back at the beginning of February, so it's had plenty of time to percolate. The changes for the 12-player version definitely fuck with a few things, but the core of it where he suggests mass IRs on one person... that's still a powerful tool we can use. 1) It forces scum to fit a lie in, and 2) It gives them a strong disincentive to kill someone we've mass read. And since our reads happen before they kill, if we pick a target today, they aren't going to die tonight, and they're unlikely to in the near future either. So it's a sort of lingering pseudo-doctor.

I've also been pondering whether we should consider splitting the IR between two different targets, half on one person, half on the other. The downside is that it would muddy up any data we get from the IRs and eventual flip. But the upside is that it speeds up the point at which scum have to kill someone we've investigated. I'm still not sure what the best approach is.

The other obvious change is that with no-lynches off the table, we have two mislynches before we have to get it right. But I also keep thinking that isn't really all that different from the 8-player version: they were able to no-lynch once and mislynch once before being at MYLO, so... it's not really a huge difference in terms of how quickly we need to catch scum. So I think pressure is somewhat higher for good scumhunting, but not so much that we're significantly worse off than the 8-player group would have been.

Ok, that's my immediate stuff. Looking forward to actual interaction.

SHIT I'm excited about this game. Logic puzzle is exactly what I need to recover from hidden rule frustration.

PPE: Yep, read it. And interesting. We're opposite results on Harb.

kim wrote:For N0 I investigated Harb. I chose him because I was just* talking to Keir in the queue thread about how difficult scumHarb is to lynch. While I felt that discussing IR targets before the game would be over the line, I hoped he might have read the strategy post linked above and was breadcrumbing toward suggesting Harb.

Harb wrote:

kimbyrle wrote:I mentioned to Telleo while kibitzing Normal that I'm trying to lean more on first impressions instead of torturing myself around in circles over little things. We'll see where that lands long term, but short term it means EAH.

Weirded out by this post that struck me as performative. I don't even know what Kim post/s he's referring to that made him feel this way, and the tone is off in a way that I'm having trouble explaining.

Additionally I didn't like the tone of his jump in on the PB/RS innocent versus honest discussion. It seems like he's stoking a fire that's burning real low. (PPE: PB notes this is soft pushing. Never a fan of that particular idea, but I think we're thinking the same things.

Keirador wrote:Harb, on the town EAH was taking re: Little Miss Townie, I think I'm picking up what you're putting down: that EAH seems vaguely dissatisfied that kim is capable of that Aura of Greater Towniness effect, and that's weird, because it's helpful for town. Is that correct? If so, I'd point out that Exiled just lost a game as scum, in quite significant part because of kim's AGT special ability, so that might be the source of dissatisfaction.

nanooktheeskimo wrote:Stupidface

Investigated Shadow, got a dirty IR back, until given a reason to think that IR is innacurate I'll stick to it.

Harb wrote:

Keirador wrote:Harb, on the town EAH was taking re: Little Miss Townie, I think I'm picking up what you're putting down: that EAH seems vaguely dissatisfied that kim is capable of that Aura of Greater Towniness effect, and that's weird, because it's helpful for town. Is that correct? If so, I'd point out that Exiled just lost a game as scum, in quite significant part because of kim's AGT special ability, so that might be the source of dissatisfaction.

Actually, that's something I can totally see but not what I was getting at. It struck me more as a point where EAH was trying to say something that looked townie but didn't mean it. I didn't see any disgruntlement, but someone going for earnestness. I I was more tweaked by the fact that I'm not sure what he's referencing, that Kim has a pretty limited number of posts for striking a Kim level townie chord, and that he's also pointing out she's in the same space as him while pointing out how townie she is.

If that's the source of his dissatisfaction, how do you read that right now? I'm not sure if you're supporting or dissuading the idea you thought I was putting forth.