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justy (2): condude1, Thyrfing
Telleo (1): Happymeal
Thyrfing (2): Harb, Telleo
condude1 (2): justy, sjg11

Keirador wrote:Unvote, this level of confidence from sjg about his assumptions is not out of character.

justy wrote:@Thyrfing: You had good point about scum suggesting town positive plans they know a walkaround for. But I still think good plan should award town points. Not oodles of them, but some at least. I don't think there are that many ways to gain oodles of town points D1 and reads should be based on what little we have.

Happymeal wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:I meant justy, yes, thanks for the correction
More than the logic behind his vote, it was its timing, the fact that he came exactly after Tello pointed the ratio thing out and voted for you on his first post. Rushy vote could be coming from scum eager to place an early vote... we all know how hard it can become to set on a vote later on the day...

I'm wondering, but what else do you think supports this? As in, what other of Justy's actions do you think assist in ascertaining his alignment? I know for a fact that if Justy were to try to do the whole "get aggressive" in a match, this would be the way he would execute it, regardless of alignment.

Thyrfing wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:

Telleo wrote:I expected to get exactly what I asked for. Why do you find my question to be a dangerous breach of security, but asking about the motivations behind it isn't?

Yes, I do. Asking the town questions about their roles with no objective other than knowing information about their roles (that's what you just stated you expected to get) is scummy as hell. As in information fishing.
Questioning scummy behaviour is my job as a townie.

Still interested in that Telleo

Harb wrote:

condude1 wrote:Justy, the Sjg vote was a wagon vote on a weak point that was retracted as soon as the vote started losing steam and a solid defense begins for Sjg from myself and others.

Again, let's talk about this whole "wagon vote" thing. Was the issue one you can't see town justy believing was a scumtell? I find that hard to believe. If you think town justy might have believed it was a scumtell, what exactly is he supposed to add to that other than what he did? Explain why "wagon vote" is anything more than mudslinging here.

If the point is weak, why is Telleo exempt from your criticism? Because it's a perceived slip and people attach a vote to "Gotcha!" moments. Okay. But presumably town justy can know those feels. Why is arriving at the point INDEPENDENTLY important? Keir also gets some credit here from you. Okay, but absent people who aren't caught up don't we just have one person who can independently arrive at this conclusion? That means 6 of 7 townies aren't allowed to find this point valid because someone already did.

Additionally, if it's a weak point, why is justy LEAVING a weak case more indicative than Telleo sticking with it? Wouldn't you expect town justy to dump a weak point relatively quickly?

justy wrote:I'm curious about what Telleo is currently thinking (I assume I'll find out when I read further. I'm not sure if she wash pushing back against my vote because of it's timing or because she didn't think I had strong enough reasons. If it's latter, I'm surprised she hasn't move her own vote.

Thyrfing seems to have issue with you [SJG] handling Condude and him differenlty. IIRC Telleo said something about this as well. I have to look back to it later (or see if it's further discussed in thread when I read on) to comment it.

Condude wrote:Hrmph, I thought I was defending Sjg harder than that. Still, I got the feeling from the thread no one was joining the lynch any more. I'll reread after lunch to see if that was a valid interpretation.

Harb wrote:Thyrfing, what value do you see in "not planning" that isn't fulfilled by the two groups plan? What value do you see in a cig remaining secret?

justy wrote:2) Condude1 reminds me more of scum smelling blood than town trying to resolve my alignment. He is trying to sell his vote for Harb and others, not know why I did what I did.

This same sentiment goes for Thyrfing. I doubt they're both scum however because they're on same target so early. But condude has showed more of his reasoning, which I find both bad and contradicting to his own early D1 play (re True Love early vote).

sjg11 wrote:As for justy... I have serious issues with his comments about my plan being town indicative. I feel like justy is smart enough to know that people proposing pro-town ideas is not a town indicative statement at all.

Thyrfing wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:

Telleo wrote:I expected to get exactly what I asked for. Why do you find my question to be a dangerous breach of security, but asking about the motivations behind it isn't?

Yes, I do. Asking the town questions about their roles with no objective other than knowing information about their roles (that's what you just stated you expected to get) is scummy as hell. As in information fishing.
Questioning scummy behaviour is my job as a townie.

Still interested in that Telleo

Harb wrote:
Also: Thyrfing

Harb wrote:

Telleo wrote:I have no idea where you get the idea that Harb is any kind of scumread from me. What gave you that impression?

Also, for the record, just because I scumread someone doesn't mean the plan they propose is bad- see Sjg's point that as scum, he'd propose town-positive plans because it's what he'd do as town.

Actually, I sort of did the same thing when I saw your organization in a PPE. It looks like a list of your reads, not who people are supposed to target. I couldn't figure out how you suddenly had scumreads on condude, me, fuddin, and justy.

Thyrfing wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:Yes, I do. Asking the town questions about their roles with no objective other than knowing information about their roles (that's what you just stated you expected to get) is scummy as hell. As in information fishing.
Questioning scummy behaviour is my job as a townie.

Still interested in that Telleo

Telleo
Looks like this needs to be red for you to pay attention to it.

I'm surprised why this hasn't fired any alarms.
Fishing information about roles from the town can only help scum.

Telleo wrote:

Thyrfing wrote:Still interested in that Telleo

Telleo
Looks like this needs to be red for you to pay attention to it.

I'm surprised why this hasn't fired any alarms.
Fishing information about roles from the town can only help scum.