Guilt from stabbing

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Guilt from stabbing

Postby Crisu » 27 Nov 2008, 08:51

Do you feel it? If so, how long does it last?

Or does that clearly label me as a newbie to even think that?

A friend has told me: think of the other players just as countries, not people. It's merely the way you play the game. I would hope that no friendships or marriages have ever been broken over a game of Diplomacy.

But I'm generally too nice of a person. If someone has helped me greatly in a game, and I find this huuuge opening to stab and take him down, I just can't bring myself to do it.

I -have- stabbed before (to lesser degrees). And in those situations, once that country is off the map, I tend to forget that I was partly or fully responsible for it. x.x

So maybe I overthink it and just need to stab more (without doing it chronically)? Is stabbing something that gets easier the more you do it?
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Diplomat » 27 Nov 2008, 09:11

First, you need to define what a stab is to you. It is commonly accepted that a stab requires that you are a trusted ally of the victim, which itself would indicate that you had worked with that person to develop that relationship in the game. I generally don't consider any betrayal in 1901 and very few in 1902 as stabs, there is just no history of trust. Yeah they attacked you, maybe you died, but if you left yourself open in the first moves of the game then you deserve it. Also a stab is generally not taking 1 center, unless that is a crippling blow to you for some reason. A stab should be a sudden move that cripples your opponent and enhances your own chances of winning the game, or wins you the game. A 3 center stab is generally a huge event and massively changes the fate of most players on the board. There could be devastating stabs that occur with fewer centers changing hands, ones that prevent new key builds, or split someone's forces, but those are clearly situational and beyond the scope of my post here.

After you have determined what you consider stabbing to be, and if you agree with my description above, then you recognize that you are potentially putting someone out of the game when you stab.

I generally don't like to stab and, honestly, it does usually make be feel guilty to some extent. I will often apologize to players I have stabbed, explaining my reasoning, and I generally don't do it for points. I've always been content to 'win' with a good ally rather than stab. Most of the time if I stab it is because I have a prior agreement and I am put into a situation where I can't keep 2 agreements any longer, or the situation on the board changes in some huge fashion and the victim does not 'change' with the board. I will occasionally 'stab' a player in a game if they are chronically late on moves, turns, or rude and obnoxious and I'm tired of dealing with them, but in those cases I generally regret attempting to ally with them more than the stab itself so it works out.

In short, yeah I feel guilty, and its ok if you do as well. I mean we all play the game to have fun and you just made someone's day WAY LESS fun when they see what you just unloaded on them.
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby CJ 92 » 27 Nov 2008, 09:56

:idea:
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Stander » 27 Nov 2008, 16:07

Like diplomat, I too don't go in for the pointless stab - it has to be worthwile. Otherwise you just get a reputation as being untrustworthy. People tend to forget that this game isn't about lying. It's actually about telling the truth, well it is if you are a good player.

I do also tend to apologise to the stabee. Good manners cost nothing, even if you are twisting the knife, it's polite to smile at the same time. and they might not hate me so much in the next game we meet in.

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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Dar Krum » 27 Nov 2008, 18:41

Guilt about stabbing? I'd like to hear from my good buddy Spitfire on that one...

Really, there should be no guilt. They left themselves open. They had it coming. Really, they shouldn't have been wearing that dress in that neighbourhood....
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Spitfire » 27 Nov 2008, 19:08

Oh, and what are we insuniating DK? :P
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby CJ 92 » 27 Nov 2008, 19:16

:idea:
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Dar Krum » 27 Nov 2008, 21:00

CJ 92 wrote:Are you a droogie of mine DK? We could go get some vellocet milk plus later.
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby Spitfire » 27 Nov 2008, 21:01

But doesnt answer Spitfire???? :shock: :cry:
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Re: Guilt from stabbing

Postby CJ 92 » 27 Nov 2008, 21:10

:idea:
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