shadowfriend1 wrote:If you don't follow the plan that the town decides to go with, I'll visit you tonight and squish you.
Here's where my perplexity to SF starts: His over-committal to the plan.
He vehemently holds (throughout the day) that he wants to stomp me despite my re - reveal as large (though that's not the biggest issue). The reason I find this most odd is because of his original stance in regards to the plan itself.
shadowfriend1 wrote:Sure. Potential flaw might be if a lynch falls on Monday for me. On monday I am booked entirely solid with classes and monster commutes and, depending on how many buses I have to wait for, might not be able to check in, almost certainly not with a short (ie. 3hr) deadline. It would make me very sad to get killed for this.
EDIT: I wrote this before knowing my size or faction while reading the thread, and now that I know I'm large, if I don't make a deadline I don't mind if everyone tries to stomp me.
On that note, the stomping plan doesn't work if the target is large, or solve the problem of what we're supposed to do with the small and medium townies.
@Zoomzip: If a large player doesn't consolidate votes, we can't stomp him to death at night. Would you want to lynch him the next day then? What would you do if he claims to have been busy - still lynch him for it? I'm not against your plan (in fact it sounds quite fun), but I'd like to know how this would work, with almost everyone being large so far.
Do you see his response? This is not the response of a man who wants to adhere to the plan in such a way that he did originally. Does this look like a post from a guy who would aggressively pursue the tenets of such a plan? First off, he responds with solely "sure". It's not as if he's like sjg whose perspective changed entirely as a byproduct of such a plan reveal which I could comprehend someone like that pursuing its conventions in such a way. However, SF not only scream neutral "ok, I'll do this", but he also has some issues and questions about the plan. He hasn't even completely addressed his issues with such an idea, but his first response to a dissenter is basically to threaten to kill him.
Here's what I want to know SF: Why? Why did you pursue this so aggressively when you already had concerns about things as well as not coming straight away with such a pious attitude? What changed your attitude so much in a matter of posts?
[*]@Don Juan - Describe the benefits of a partial town reveal vs a full town reveal please. Then reveal. [/list]
Now, here is a second piece of evidence I find odd about SF. He questions Don Juan about the benefits of a partial town reveal and is extremely willing to vote for him in a lynch despite only wanting him to answer the question. However:
shadowfriend1 wrote:Happymeal wrote: I think it only be fair I not only question him, but pressure him with my vote. it makes no sense to aggressively pursue someone without a tool to do it with. If you think none of this is critical, you've missed everything I've stated, but that's irrelevant.
Could you please restate this? I do not understand your point here.
He responds to my statement with a question and that he doesn't understand. However, he had just done the same thing prior to me and my explanation about my vote. Why in the world would he apply a tactic and not comprehend when that tactic is explained. This to me can happen as a byproduct of two things.
The first of these is that he just didn't understand my phrasing. As I reread this, it doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to comprehend. However, he's made plenty of claims that he is "as dumb as a cucumber" or whatever. Basically, he says he is stupid. I don't buy that. Do you know why? I went through his other games recently and read things about him and his interactions with other people. I especially read Plague mafia (not the whole thing, just enough to get perspective) and the last big, medium, small mafia. First and foremost, generally speaking, people did not have a low opinion of him. They generally stated that he was an intelligent guy. The second factor is that as I was reading through his posts when he played, he never seemed to easily misunderstand things such as this even during the more difficult passages. I do not believe for a second he misunderstood this as a byproduct of intellect.
The second is that he did not recognize this because he is not actually voting to figure out who the scum is. He voted Don early into the game because he needed something to do besides answering questions and make himself look busy. Now comes along Happymeal who does the same thing and he doesn't recognize the tactic nor the purpose? He's not paying attention to the game he's playing, which is something I think is a common attribute of mafia. They do not care about the details of the game and therefore do not pay attention to them. Something that SF has demonstrated greatly here.
Now, the questions I will give to you are these. Why did you not recognize that I used a tactic that you had used directly after I did and why did you not comprehend the point originally?
[*]@Don Juan - Describe the benefits of a partial town reveal vs a full town reveal please. Then reveal. [/list]
On top of this, UDC had not revealed as of this point in time while not receiving any criticism or questions from SF (he also did not think full reveals were good). Considering SF liked the plan introduced by ZZ so much, one would assume, he'd be all over UDC for this. Why? Because UDC had not agreed with the idea of full reveals despite ZZ's plan working significantly better with full reveals. Why is it that you pursue both Don Juan and me for these factors, but not UDC?
On top of that, he had no intentions of pursuing this. I looked throughout the game on Don's posts and he never once came back to him. Not a single time did Don actually respond to SF's concern which made him actually vote for him as a lynch candidate yet SF never once pursued this area afterward. In fact, he eventually went on to state that Don was a "stupid townie". This, to me, looks like a mafia attempting to get town cred, especially with the disparity in attitude between his original stance on Don (huge lynch candidate) vs. his end stance (bad townie). Why did your attitude change so much?
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