Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

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Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Uncle Monty » 26 Aug 2008, 18:47

Guys,
I have been thinking about the implications of using outside communication tools on games recently. I know several people in games I've been playing use MSN Messenger and similar tools to communicate with each other over and above the standard playdiplomacy email system. Personally I think that whilst not exactly cheating in the traditional sense of the word, it does bestow an additional advantage to the diplomacy aspect of the game. It is, after all, much more difficult to work things out in pure text rather than the ebb and flow of a real-world conversation.
Anyway, I am inclined to think that we should ban this form of communication in tournament play. Obviously it is difficult to enforce but I think it should be in the rules.

What does everyone else think?
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Spitfire » 26 Aug 2008, 18:50

I dont use it, and have no issue with those who mmght. but aggree to it being banned in tournie play.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Samarkand » 26 Aug 2008, 19:09

There is now ay we can enforce it even if it was agreed upon. I don't use it and I don't see much reason for messaging being banned. I don't think anyone from the tournament list is going to cheat in any way but it is up to you guys to decide on the rules.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Uncle Monty » 26 Aug 2008, 19:13

I realise it would be on trust, but I think tournament play should be on as level a playing field as possible. Messenger tools give an advantage, which is why people use them. Players ought to know where they stand on them when playing in a tournament. It's akin to banning mobile phones in a face to face tournament, I think.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Tommy4ever » 26 Aug 2008, 19:14

This seems a bit over the top. But I'm ok wiht it. I have rarely used it but when I have usually it is just the first five minutes or so that are about that game.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Samarkand » 26 Aug 2008, 19:21

I tend to agree with Tommy here.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Uncle Monty » 26 Aug 2008, 20:06

I realise it seems over the top, but this is really to avoid arguments WHILST a tournament is progressing. Once competition enters into it, you'd be surprised what people will fall out about. I think it is about being fair and beeing seen to be fair.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Samarkand » 26 Aug 2008, 20:13

UM, let me remind you all games will be anonymous so you don't know who you are playing with. This makes outside messaging impossible because you will not know who to communicate with. I would rather vote for banning disclosure of one's identity than banning messaging.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby Uncle Monty » 26 Aug 2008, 20:39

Yes, disclosing identity should be banned too. This just makes it very clear where everyone stands.
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Re: Outside Communication: MSN Messenger etc

Postby MisticX » 26 Aug 2008, 20:57

for as long as the identity of the tourniers is not to be disclosed, MSN should not be achievable.

i mean up to a point the messages can be checked and if there was an attempt, the person that tired can be disqualified.


another suggestion would be that each tournie game is called the same, and has the number id hidden.
that way people that know eachother from other games cannot retrace themselves.
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