Time for England to ask for bounce in the channel again?

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Re: Time for England to ask for bounce in the channel again?

Postby ColonelApricot » 16 Oct 2020, 22:42

Finally a mention of Russia. Some time ago I remember a discussion of how England can use Russia's influence to help him with the channel outcome. I think it was @zosimus that pointed this out. No discussion of the west is complete without including Russia-North.

Italy too can have influence, but rarely. Italy would want to be very confident that E and G were completely onside before committing against F. Many would consider this foolhardy in fact, although I suffered that fate as F in a classicists game a while ago.

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Re: Time for England to ask for bounce in the channel again?

Postby MasterGR » 18 Oct 2020, 05:21

I like the premise of this article, and I agree with the suggested opening in the case where France does not offer support into Belgium. England is relatively well defended, but has real trouble expanding early on, and an opening in the channel that then near guarantees Belgium is strong. It also helps defuse tension with Russia, who is typically against a convoy to Norway. Of course, in the end we can all agree that it also comes down to who your neighbors are, and if Germany is sending negative signals they may opt to avoid this opening in S01. Perhaps I will try it next time I play England if I can find a cooperative Germany.

As for other comments made, based on recent experience I 100% agree that the German opening to Holland is really bad, unless England is on par which is rare. It sets off both E and F against G, wastes a valuable fleet in Denmark (the army there is much less useful) and a valuable army in Holland (fleet cannot move/support Ruhr), and overall puts G in a really bad position... While also screwing England over. It's an opening that only benefits France.

I do think though that the best alliance for England is FG, aka the western jugg. It is confirmed by site stats to be very successful, it's less scary to others than the standard jugg, but even more importantly England typically gets most of the coastal centers when it's successful and is very well positioned to stab France in the mid-game... As long as F can be convinced to turn to the Med once Munich falls.
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Re: Time for England to ask for bounce in the channel again?

Postby David E. Cohen » 18 Oct 2020, 13:10

Phlegmatic wrote:The only viable path to an English solo, and frequently to a decent draw, is to kill France quickly and brutally.


It is *a* viable path to a solo, certainly. It may, statistically speaking, be the most likely path to a solo. But to say it is the *only* viable path to a solo, completely ignoring the players involved and the in-game situation, is ridiculous. There are very, very few absolutes in Diplomacy. This is *not* one of them.
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Re: Time for England to ask for bounce in the channel again?

Postby FloridaMan » 18 Oct 2020, 18:21

David E. Cohen wrote:It is *a* viable path to a solo, certainly. It may, statistically speaking, be the most likely path to a solo. But to say it is the *only* viable path to a solo, completely ignoring the players involved and the in-game situation, is ridiculous. There are very, very few absolutes in Diplomacy. This is *not* one of them.

Strongly agree with this.

Honestly, I don't think this even is the best or most likely path to an English solo.

As England, working with France has served me well in the past, probably about as much as working with Germany.
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