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Meta Gaming

Postby Dolph Shtoss » 15 Nov 2020, 16:09

I'd like thoughts on a situation.

Suppose I'm playing in a tournment and it's round 4 of 4. I win the tournment as long as 1 other player doesn't win this final game.

If my game strategy is to make sure this 1 player doesn't win I'd say that's meta-gaming. The question is... is it cheating?

I'd argue not really given that the game itself is part of a tournment so is itself a meta-game, but I'm curious what others think.
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby MisterPlant » 15 Nov 2020, 16:22

I would say it’s strategy not meta gaming,just my opinion though..
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby StuRobot » 15 Nov 2020, 17:49

I think if its part of a tournament then the assumption is that you are expected to do it. If you aren’t allowed then the tournament should expressly state it and try and avoid the situation by using anonymous countries or similar?
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby Charleroi » 15 Nov 2020, 18:36

I agree with the crowd here - in the special context of a league or tournament, that kind of thinking is part of the play. It may be meta gaming, but I wouldn't say it's impermissible meta gaming. At the very least it's quite common - every league I've played in on this site, I've had a number of players message me with really detailed "I have X points and if we get Y centers and prevent this other guy from getting Z centers" messages.

I read the site's prohibition on meta gaming to forbid an agreement between players where they agree to work together in ordinary ranked games so that one player wins game A while the other player wins game B. That's not fair to the other players in the games who can't offer anything to break the deal between the two meta gamers and probably aren't even in the other matches. In a league, the whole context is different. Everyone else in those matches is aware of the impact each game has on the league standings and is playing them in order to win the league.

This kind of thinking is also why some leagues (the SuperPastis league for example) specifically play *unranked* games. It wouldn't be fair to the ranking system for league games (where players are playing to the league's scoring system and may play tactically in one game based on results in another) to have those results change the site-wide standard rankings.
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby David E. Cohen » 15 Nov 2020, 19:26

NOT metagaming. Your goal in a tournament is to win the tournament.
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby WHSeward » 15 Nov 2020, 23:23

Definitely not metagaming in the context of a tournament.
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Re: Meta Gaming

Postby MisterPlant » 16 Nov 2020, 00:18

There you go-all posts agree you are treading the righteous path!
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