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Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 14:00
by Poulp13
Hello there,

In game "177623. Europe on fire!", currently ongoing, I was subject to insults and direspect from player _bkj_ which I believe are incompatible with fair play regulations.

I was told to "fuck off" and "shut the hell up", and publicly called an ass****.

I understand that good sportsmanship, albeit desirable, cannot really be enforced, but outright lack of respect and offensive language shouldn't be tolerated, right?

Regards,
Poulp13

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 14:13
by V
Poulp13 wrote:Hello there,

In game "177623. Europe on fire!", currently ongoing, I was subject to insults and direspect from player _bkj_ which I believe are incompatible with fair play regulations.

I was told to "fuck off" and "shut the hell up", and publicly called an ass****.

I understand that good sportsmanship, albeit desirable, cannot really be enforced, but outright lack of respect and offensive language shouldn't be tolerated, right?

Regards,
Poulp13


Must admit, I’ve seen worse. Disrespect & insults are quite common in Diplomacy.

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 17:13
by Poulp13
V wrote:
Poulp13 wrote:Hello there,

In game "177623. Europe on fire!", currently ongoing, I was subject to insults and direspect from player _bkj_ which I believe are incompatible with fair play regulations.

I was told to "fuck off" and "shut the hell up", and publicly called an ass****.

I understand that good sportsmanship, albeit desirable, cannot really be enforced, but outright lack of respect and offensive language shouldn't be tolerated, right?

Regards,
Poulp13


Must admit, I’ve seen worse. Disrespect & insults are quite common in Diplomacy.


You've seen worse? So that means it's acceptable to insult someone on this website?

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 17:21
by adebruyn666
No, it shouldn't be tolerated.

G. DEALING WITH CYBER-BULLYING
1. Inappropriate content in games.
(b) Public Press posts. Any posts – written, image, gif, video or links to sites which contain inappropriate – should be brought to a Mod’s attention using the Report Inappropriate button in the game’s Public Press box. The Mod will assess the content and take any appropriate action.

Cheers.

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 17:38
by Strategus
Calling someone an asshole in pp is quite mild really.

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 17:39
by Strategus
In fact, it's almost a complement.

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 17:41
by V
Poulp13 wrote:
V wrote:
Poulp13 wrote:Hello there,

In game "177623. Europe on fire!", currently ongoing, I was subject to insults and direspect from player _bkj_ which I believe are incompatible with fair play regulations.

I was told to "fuck off" and "shut the hell up", and publicly called an ass****.

I understand that good sportsmanship, albeit desirable, cannot really be enforced, but outright lack of respect and offensive language shouldn't be tolerated, right?

Regards,
Poulp13


Must admit, I’ve seen worse. Disrespect & insults are quite common in Diplomacy.


You've seen worse? So that means it's acceptable to insult someone on this website?


Don’t know what a moderator will rule in this instance, but to answer your question yes it’s acceptable.
Insults are permissible & commonplace. It’s Diplomacy, not Monopoly. The language used in delivering the insult would be the dodgy aspect here. Let’s see what happens but I’ve seen lots worse (some directed at myself) & preferred to ignore it as an insignificant indiscretion.
It’s ineffective as a diplomatic tool, so usually the author meets a rapid demise. I was brought up in the “sticks & stones” era, which I know is no longer with us & folks are more sensitive. Whether that’s progress is another debate.

Best Regards V

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 20:00
by NoPunIn10Did
The thing to keep in mind is that mods are absolutely willing to look into these complaints, but the best way to get that to happen is to use the forum PM system to contact either the "Mods" or "SITE HELP!" group (which you can select from a list shown in the top-right corner of the New Message interface).

It's debatable whether being publicly called a mildly profane term would count as abuse or cyberbullying. There's certainly an element of Diplomacy that not only permits personal insults but also deliberately eschews concepts like good sportsmanship in general.

So what counts as abuse? That's a grey area, but we're trying to do a better job in identifying it and clamping down, as some players have run rampant with racist, homophobic, abusive, or sexually explicit language in their communications for years. And that needs to stop.

But we're also not going to punish every player who insults another player or uses a bit of mild profanity. Start by contacting the mods and see what they say, but understand that part of Diplomacy's own definition of sportsmanship is going to be quite different from what is used in most other contexts.

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 10 Jul 2020, 23:53
by Jack007
Strategus wrote:Calling someone an asshole in pp is quite mild really.

Strategus wrote:In fact, it's almost a complement.


Yes indeed. For example you could have been called a dick.
Happens to me all the time. :shock:

Re: Inapproriate Communication

PostPosted: 11 Jul 2020, 18:15
by UM85
I can't say that any of those pejoratives crossed the lines as outlined in the rules as I read them. A thicker skin may be in order. Part of the challenge of this highly emotional game is maintaining one's cool when someone has lost their head and is spewing. However, if you're able to do it, remain respectful and perhaps even inject some disarming humor in there somewhere, you can sometimes manage to turn it to your advantage. And when the moment comes to slide the knife in, it feels ... extra nice. :twisted: