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Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 14:19
by Mr Aedron
I understand the cheating potential of that rule.

But knowing that i don't cheat (and didn't need it) it is a significant barrier on learning cause it'll make it so much more boring for the mentor.

So i see the need for the rule but I see the problem with it too :roll:

But in the end, we need a sustainable system so fine but not great.

So Konck, here i come!

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 14:33
by Strategus
I think it might be ok to do as you want if you arrange a friends game (unranked) with top ranked players, and everybody agrees to what you want to do. Maybe a group learning sort of thing. What do you think?

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 19:02
by Charleroi
As Strategus said, this seems perfectly fine for a friends game where everyone knows what the deal is.

And I'm not sure how useful the type of input you're seeking will be. There isn't one way to be a top player - having played against several folks in the top ten here it seems as though they often have their own styles and approaches. If you want to emulate some of those players you can (a) read AARs they've written (Wysecat's are particularly helpful) and (b) just join up games against them.

Point b is probably the best approach. If you want to know how the best players go about things, join up in games against them. There's almost always some kind of league/tournament going on the site and a lot of the top talent joins in those. Take your chances against them and you'll learn a lot. Sure you'll get clobbered from time to time, but there's no harm in that either.

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 19:42
by Martz
Looks like I was wrong then. :)

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 22:13
by dib
Just what the rules say as Mr Strategus says...

There are four of the (visible at least) top ten entered in SuperPastis 20 tournament. But can agree with charleroi the knowledge you seek may be within yourself - Yoda Dib :D

I know you are signed up already but here is the link for others = signup while there is space!!

viewtopic.php?f=901&t=60325

these are unranked but the kind of collusion you are talking about i think would be unfair on other less well connected folk so there may be a rule against it!!

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 19 Dec 2019, 23:09
by Nanook
Friends are indeed fair territory for this! Ranked and unranked are not.

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 20 Dec 2019, 12:44
by Mr Aedron
dib wrote:Just what the rules say as Mr Strategus says...

There are four of the (visible at least) top ten entered in SuperPastis 20 tournament. But can agree with charleroi the knowledge you seek may be within yourself - Yoda Dib :D

I know you are signed up already but here is the link for others = signup while there is space!!

viewtopic.php?f=901&t=60325

these are unranked but the kind of collusion you are talking about i think would be unfair on other less well connected folk so there may be a rule against it!!


Dib, I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I am talking about feedback, not about having someone play for me. You'll also notice that an AAR and mentoring do provide that feedback, simply in a slower way. So are AARs with top players collusion?

Anyhow, if we put up the topics of tournaments here, i do wanna mention that I have an issue with the way tournaments are currently played. I'll bring the case of pastis 19 as example.

But that's another debate.

For this one, I'll respect the majority's wish.
AAR it is.

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 20 Dec 2019, 12:45
by Mr Aedron
So Dib, Nanook, Strategus, would you folks be up to a friends game in Jan 2020? :mrgreen:

For science

PS: Dib, we have exactly the same stats :lol: same number of games, soloes, and draws.

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 20 Dec 2019, 13:44
by Strategus
Sure, I am up for it. You should post the intent of the game, i.e. what the "friends rules" are. I would like to get the same benefit as you.

Re: Mentoring & fair play

PostPosted: 21 Dec 2019, 01:16
by Pootleflump
Mr Aedron wrote:
dib wrote:Just what the rules say as Mr Strategus says...

There are four of the (visible at least) top ten entered in SuperPastis 20 tournament. But can agree with charleroi the knowledge you seek may be within yourself - Yoda Dib :D

I know you are signed up already but here is the link for others = signup while there is space!!

viewtopic.php?f=901&t=60325

these are unranked but the kind of collusion you are talking about i think would be unfair on other less well connected folk so there may be a rule against it!!


Dib, I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I am talking about feedback, not about having someone play for me. You'll also notice that an AAR and mentoring do provide that feedback, simply in a slower way. So are AARs with top players collusion?

Anyhow, if we put up the topics of tournaments here, i do wanna mention that I have an issue with the way tournaments are currently played. I'll bring the case of pastis 19 as example.

But that's another debate.

For this one, I'll respect the majority's wish.
AAR it is.


I absolutely get what dib, Nanook and Strategus are saying.

Unless we are misunderstanding.....

You are asking for live feedback (from a top ranked player) during an ongoing game.

So essentially your opposition are playing Mr's AeKonk, giving an unfair advantage to those who don't have a Konk In The Cupboard to advise them.

That's the 'team play' referred to by dib and understandably it's against site rules.

For what it's worth.... I think you have to find your own style or set of styles. If you try and play like someone else (and not you) -especially when it comes to communicating and building relationships- it often doesn't work.