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About Solo Victory Only games

Postby Pedros » 18 Sep 2010, 18:55

The games in this Forum are played under a strict code. All players must sign a pledge commiting themselves (in all games under these rules) to aim at all times for a solo victory. There is no such thing as a draw here! (There may be games where nobody can get a win, but they aren't draws!)

Some players believe that's what we all should do all the time. Others take a less strict approach, but want the discipline and the extra buzz from playing a game where you have only one ultimate target.

The honour of founding this series goes to Dunkelseele. So far about 20 games have been played or are currently running. The topic Solo victory only games - Revived includes discussion about how the games should be taken forward and what should happen in the event of a stalemate, and also a summary of the past and present games.

All players who want to take part in one of these games sign the following pledge:-

I, username, do hereby pledge, by my free will, without any duress being applied to be, and being of sound mind, in the witness of the Mods and gamers of this forum, that I will commit myself to winning this game outright to the best of my ability. Should one of the seven prove to be an Oathbreaker in this regard, I will spurn all talks of enacting a draw and will dutifully fight until no such draw can take place. Should a stalemate occur and all players agree, I will continue to seek a solo win for as long as this is possible. If it proves impossible, and all players agree, then there will be no winner for this game and I will not ever claim to have won it. I pledge to not surrender, and continue active participation in the shoutbox if I should be defeated, as I continue to have a vote in the stalemate agreement.


What difference does it make in practice?
The pledge to go for the solo is intended quite seriously, and if you don't mean it you shouldn't be playing these games. How you do it is up to you - alliances on the way are fine, for instance. But there are no draws in these games.

NMRs NMRs are almost certainly not going to help you win the game. and usually NMRing suggests you're not going hard for the solo (obviously, there may be times when you are seriously unable to enter a move, but please do your utmost to get some orders in). (Some players feel that there are times when their best move is an NMR - if so, that's fine. But those times are exceptional.)

Away from home? If you know you are going to be absent for a while, try to get a substitute (advertise on the Players Forum).

No surrenders, and no giving up - play the game to its bitter end. In many games, players who are doing badly ofen give up, making silly moves. While there's life there's hope. Try to find an ally, and work together to try to strengthen your position and stop the other person winning - games have been won from a single centre before now.

Again, if you are absolutely forced to surrender (for example because you've lost your internet access), please try to send me a PM as soon as possible so that I can arrange for a pledged player to replace you - but that should be really unusual.

And finally, even if you're eliminated, keep an eye on the game. If it does reach a stalemate, then all seven of you have to agree it's pointless going on (through the Shoutbox), even if you've been eliminated.
"Sooner or later, one of us will stab the other. But for now we're both better off as allies" (kininvie)
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Solo Only Roll of Honour: Respect, Steppenwulf!!

Postby Pedros » 19 Sep 2010, 18:09

ROLL OF HONOUR
The list of game winners (and those who didn't quite make it)

:arrow: Steppenwulf, won 4 out of 4 played :!:

2/2:
infinity8ball

2/5 (plus two games as a replacement):
Pedros

1/1:
DarKrum
echotwo
franfloresjnr
Historical
Honest Abe
Sheddy
trkertrsh

1/2:
Lucifers_Hammer

1/3:
Abu Rai
Maucat

0/1 (plus one game as replacement):
Dunkelseele

0/1: aaron611, ak47, alphaactive, an49, Anarion, Arilia, Arlo, beanie42, behnan, Big Orange, bobbill1, boing, borogrove, Captain Decoy, Captain Twig, cfisher6, Dark Horse (surrendered), Davidmorton, DCMorrison (surrendered), DexKal, diacritic, Doctor Benway, DOI, donbcoleman, DRiftR, Duiker, Duke Orange, ghopper2000, GQuinner, GruGloG, iShine, janepeg, janga, jeanphi, jenthefantastic, Jobson15, Joolesey, jwisman, laurens, LC Flea, lightfoot, Lord Darkside, lowguppy, Madac, mariscal, melchett_s tache, metalthor, MoodytheWise, ,Mr Strong, NatRiv, nomames, noobii, ogodwatisthis, Old Wolf, OpticalDelusion, Pacman (No Winner), Palin, pelagius, Peppermort, pizzasnail, PJL, rodroth (surrendered), reubenc, sanje, schneidy, Shalako, shockj, sleazyg, slippydippy, Soveliss, Spekulatius, StevieG, Telenoth, theepum, Thenkyn (surrendered), TheProfessional, The O, tin trumpet, Tuomasm, txapulin25, w123, Winterfell, wmlawman

0/2:
Caladin
dlbrenner
Flatley
Ghost Echo
gjdad2
hansimean
iamnobody
Mal
Marlowe
mr bump
sjg11
TheYank
Unknown Archont

0/3:
deepstar
lotr_freak
QueenofHearts (one under the name of gusmerrell)
WFU03
Zanmor

Kian lost one game as replacement

speakerbox1217 (banned acount) not included
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List of games in this series

Postby Pedros » 01 Oct 2010, 08:24

This thread lists all games played under these rules. It includes finished games, active games, and those currently recruiting. A number of proposed games in the first series were never played; these are included.

The original series
GAME 1: Ranked Regular Classic Random, 24/24/24, w/ speed deadlines. There Can Be Only One
WINNER: infinity8ball
LOSERS: Dunkelseele, Flatley, Soveliss, MoodytheWise, Tuomasm, Doctor Benway

GAME 2: Ranked Regular Classic Random 24/24/24, w/ speed deadlines. Better To Burn Out Than Fade Away
WINNER: trkertrsh
LOSERS: DRiftR, dlbrenner, zanmor, davidmorton, Duiker, Arlo

GAME 3: Ranked Regular Classic Random 24/24/24 (no speed): Highlander: The Solo
WINNER: Steppenwulf
LOSERS: sanje, nomames, Duke Orange, ogodwatisthis, Arilia, Flatley

GAME 4: Ranked Anonymous Build Anywhere Random 24/24/24, w/ speed deadlines: Solo McLeod of the Clan McLeod
WINNER: infinity8ball
LOSERS: zanmor, lotr_freak (srrendered; replaced by Pedros (without signing or keeping the pledge!) Big Orange, gjdad2, dlbrenner, w123

GAME 5: Ranked Regular Classic Random 24/24/24 (no speed): It's Over When I Cut Off Your Head!
WINNER: Steppenwulf
LOSERS: gjdad2, speakerbox1217 (SUSPENDED: replacement Dunkelseele), gusmerrell, iamnobody, ak47, NatRiv

GAME 6: Ranked Regular Chaos Random 24/24/24 (w/ speed). This game does not appear to have been played

GAME 7: Ranked Regular Classic Random 24/24/24 (w/ speed): no details available
PLAYER LIST
Thungbard (SIGNED)
thatirishguyjohn
shockj (SIGNED)
Andrew14 (SIGNED)
JGray38 (SIGNED)
Steppenwulf(SIGNED)
Flatley (SIGNED)

GAME 8: Regular Classic Random 24/24/24 (no speed). This game does not appear to have been played

GAME 9: 2-way Draws Acceptable. This game does not need a new pledge signed. Regular Classic Random 24/24/24 (w/ speed). This game does not appear to have been played

GAME 10: 48, 24, 24 Regular Classic Random no speed. Atlantic Solo

WINNER: Steppenwulf
LOSERS: Thenkyn (surrendered), wmlawman, Pedros, Joolesy, Zanmor, shockj

The 'Revived' Series
Game 11 18223. Solo in St Ives

Winner: echotwo
Losers: mr bump, CaptainTwig, GhostEcho, Iamnobody, GQuinner, Maucat

Game 12: see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12555

Winner: Steppensulf
Losers: diacritic, deepstar, cfisher6, schneidy, Lord Darkside, Dark Horse (surrendered, replaced by Pedros Fall 1901)

Game 13: see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12629

Winner: Honest Abe
Losers: Kian (replacing ... who was removed for metagaming elsewhere), Winterfell, Anarion, Captain Decoy, melchett_s tache, GhostEcho

Game 14 (anonymous classic): see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12698&start=20#p163341
Winner: Abu Rai
Losers: pizzasnail, theepum, txapulin25, Jobson15, ghopper2000, metalthor

Game 15 (doubly anonymous AoE): Winner, Lucifers_Hammer - Losers, WFU03, OpticalDelusion, Hansimean, an49, QueenOfHearts, Abu Rai

Game 16 non-premiums welcome, regular classic - 'No Winner' - Players: Pedros, Unknown Archont, Old Wolf, laurens, Madac, janga, Janepeg

Game 17 anonymous classic - Winner: Sheddy - See viewtopic.php?f=124&t=13559

Game 18 non-premiums welcome, regular classic - Winner: Pedros
Losers: AlphaActive, beanie42, Borogrove, Hansimean, Maucat, Rodroth
(viewtopic.php?f=5&t=13815)

Game 19 Anonymous classic - Winner, franfloresjnr - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14552
Losers:- deepstar, lotr_freak, Mal, Mr Strong, PJL, Stevie G

Game 20 Regular classic, open to non-premiums -Solo to a Score - No Winner - Players: # PacMan, WFU03, donbcoleman, sleazyg, bobbill1, Unknown Archont, LC Flea

Game 21 Anonynmous Chaos : 20754: Solo victory only, Chaos -
Winner, Pedros
Losers: behnam, Dar Krum, iShine, jeanphi, jenthefantastic, The Yank
see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14555&start=10

Game 22 Fog of War. Winner, DarKrum. Losers, DCMorrison (surrendered, replacement Pedros), mr bump, tin trumpet, Caladin, GruGloG, Abu Rai

Game 23 anonymous Winter 1900 - 21059 - Solo at Christmas - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14781
No winner. Players: Caladin, noobii, QueenOfHearts, WFU03, roughhawkbit (not pledged, replacing DOI), Lucifers_Hammer, lotr_freak

Game 25 Totally anonymous, Classic. 27875. Solo for the lone assassin Winner: Maucat. Losers: Marlowe, slippydippy, aaron611, DOI, mariscal, boing

Game 26 Regular Classic. 26018. A Regular Solo Girl (or Guy) Winner: Historical. Losers: Peppermort, lightfoot, lowguppy, DexKal, sjg11, Marlowe

Game 27 Regular Classic. 31122. A New Solo No winner. Losers: sjg11, reubenc, TheProfessional, Shalako, Palin, pelagius, The O

Game 28 Regular Classic. 39622. Sahan's Solo Just starting
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Which country won most games?

Postby Pedros » 08 Nov 2010, 12:49

There have been 14 completed games in this series to date. One had No Winner, and one was a Chaos game. Winners of the other 12 are as follows:-

  1. England, 5
  2. Turkey, 4
  3. Italy, 2
  4. France, 1

This is a very surprising list - England and Turkey will surprise nobody, but Italy third on 2 out of 12?

Incidentally England was the major country whose advance was stopped by the others in the No Winner game.
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Re: About Solo Victory Only games

Postby qtkat » 04 Feb 2015, 04:14

I'm new here and fascinated by this group but I have a question. In an SVO game if England and France are narrowly holding a stalemate line against Turkey are they obligate to try to stab each other and give the win to Turkey?
Obviously, I can offer you no assurances -- none that would be of any value to you anyway. All I can do is appeal to your well informed sense of self-interest. You will do what you will.

If Russia offers you a future draw in exchange for your allegiance, she's probably lying. Just sayin'.
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Re: About Solo Victory Only games

Postby charlesf » 16 Sep 2015, 20:45

I'm a soloist, but this approach doesn't strike me as feasible. Some games get deadlocked. Those are games for which the whole notion of draws was come up with.
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Re: About Solo Victory Only games

Postby nickjc » 24 Aug 2016, 07:09

If solos are the only option then you can never negotiate and offer a draw whether you mean it or not. The other player will know you intend to stab as that is the only option. Solos only would restrict negotiation and remove complexity to the game. If you are a minor country and have no hope of a solo then you would lose interest in the game.
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