РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

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РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 13 Mar 2017, 16:17

РАСПАД
Dissolution


Player Rosters
Below are the updated rosters for the Dissolution playtest.

Players
  • Subotai45
  • Aeschines
  • Wobbly
  • norlight
  • Calavera
  • pjkon
  • WakaKafkaFlame
  • ColonelApricot
  • justy
  • UsernamePending
Observers
  • ken31415
  • Don Juan of Austria
  • UsernamePending
  • Jordan767
  • MinnesotanKaiser
  • Gooderian
  • Walshie71
  • Antigonos

Voting Results
During the past week, the players and alternates for the upcoming playtest of Dissolution voted on two subjects: Optional Rules and Power Assignment Method.

Optional Rules: Option B Selected
With a vote of 7-3, Option B, the Nuclear Power Favor Tracker, will be used to determine maximum DP allocations per Nuclear Power per player.

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Please review the Optional Rules section to familiarize yourselves with the Favor system. Let me know if there are any questions about how Favor is lost and gained.

Power Assignment Method: Random Assignment
There had been some interest in doing a Blind Auction for power assignments, so the group was given the chance to vote on using a Blind Auction or totally Random assignments. With a vote of 4-3 (with 3 stating no preference), we will be sticking with Random assignments (as per the original house rules).

What's Next?
Player assignments will be announced on March 27th, and 1992 Spring Orders will be due on April 10th. Because we aren't going to do blind auction bidding, we really don't have to do anything until March 27th. Please let me know if you need to drop out: the sooner you let me know, the better.

Thanks for your communication and patience. I'm looking forward to GM-ing this playtest!

Until then, I've got a whole lot of Legend of Zelda to play...
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Re: Dissolution: 1992.00 Player Rosters & Voting Results

Postby ColonelApricot » 13 Mar 2017, 23:32

Please clarify the following where bolded:

Losing Favor
At the end of every Orders phase adjudication, a player's orders for their own units are evaluated to see whether they will lose Favor with a Nuclear power.

A player will move one level down a Nuclear Power's Favor Tracker for each instance of the following:
Instance #1: The player made a Disrupting Attack of the Nuclear Power's unit.
Instance #2: The player Dislodged a unit in a land, canal, or hybrid province that is in or adjacent to the Nuclear Power's territory (their colored land provinces), but the Nuclear Power in question did not support or convoy that attack.
In both instances, only the attacking unit's power moves down the Favor Tracker. Additional supporters or convoyers are ignored.

In Instance #2, whether the Nuclear Power's support was actually successful is not relevant. If the support is cut, or that Nuclear Power's unit is otherwise Disrupted, then the player who dislodged the adjacent unit will not lose Favor.

If the Nuclear Power did not support the attack then how can the Nuclear Power's support be "actually successful or not"?
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Re: Dissolution: Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 14 Mar 2017, 01:57

Good question!

ColonelApricot wrote:In Instance #2, whether the Nuclear Power's support was actually successful is not relevant. If the support is cut, or that Nuclear Power's unit is otherwise Disrupted, then the player who dislodged the adjacent unit will not lose Favor.

If the Nuclear Power did not support the attack then how can the Nuclear Power's support be "actually successful or not"?


By "actually [not] successful", I mean that the support order was given, but it was cut or otherwise voided.

Below are some examples of favor lost and not lost for Instance 2. For the neutral units, remember that their orders are determined by DP, and that the DP for those orders can come from nearly any player.

Example A: No Favor Lost
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Example A: No Favor Lost

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz - Irq             Bounced 1v2
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq       
    A Riy - Irq             

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Cut by A Syr
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw H
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor H
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Riy 2v1
    A Syr - Inc             Bounced 1v1

Saudi Arabia will not lose favor because the NATO Wing in Incirlik gave a support order for the dislodging attack. Even though the support was cut, it still counts for favor purposes.

Example B: Favor Lost by Iran
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Example B: Favor Lost by Iran

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz - Irq             
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq       Cut by F Kuw
    A Riy - Irq             Bounced 1v2

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Cut by A Syr
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw - Dmm             Bounced 1v1
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor S Riy - Irq
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Tbz 2v1
    A Syr - Inc             Bounced 1v1

Iran Loses Favor with NATO & US Navy

Iran will lose favor with NATO because neither NATO nor the US Navy supported its attack into Iraq. Additionally, Iran will lose favor with the US Navy (assuming it has any to lose) since Iran lost favor with NATO in this manner.

Example C: No Favor Lost
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Example C: No Favor Lost

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz - Irq             
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq       
    A Riy - Irq             Bounced 2v3

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Cut by A Syr
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw S Tbz - Irq
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor S Riy - Irq
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Tbz 3v1
    A Syr - Inc             Bounced 1v1

Iran will not lose favor with NATO or US Navy because the US Navy supported its dislodging attack into Iraq.


Please let me know if there are further questions or clarifications required. It's good for me to find out what's confusing; it can all go into an FAQ section when I prepare a more official rules document (post-playtest).
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Re: Dissolution: Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 14 Mar 2017, 02:19

And now for two more where the support is cut/voided by a Disrupting attack...

Example D: No Favor Lost
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Example D: No Favor Lost

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz S Irq - Inc
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq       
    A Riy - Irq             

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Void: Disrupted by A Irq (2v1)
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw H
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor H
    A Irq - Inc             Bounced (Sortie); Dislodged by A Riy (2v1)
    A Syr H

This is similar to Example A, except here the support from the Wing in Incirlik wasn't simply cut: it was voided by a Disrupting Attack from Iraq. Because Favor Loss only occurs for the attacking unit's power, Iran will not lose favor with NATO in this case.

Example E: Favor Lost by Iran
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Example E: Favor Lost by Iran

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz - Inc             Bounced (Invulnerable)
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq       
    A Riy - Irq             

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Void: Disrupted by A Tbz (2v1)
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw H
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor H
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Riy (2v1)
    A Syr S Tbz - Inc
   
Iran Loses Favor with NATO (but not US Navy)
No Favor lost by Saudi Arabia

Here, Iran directly Disrupts Incirlik with a supported attack. Incirlik's support to Saudi Arabia is still voided, but Saudi Arabia loses no favor. However, Iran will lose favor with NATO because of the disrupting attack. This is an example of "Instance #1", and it does NOT cause additional favor to be lost by Iran for the US Navy.
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Re: Dissolution: Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 14 Mar 2017, 02:33

And here's one where things go awry for Saudi Arabia...

Example F: Favor Lost by Saudi Arabia
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Example F: Favor Lost by Saudi Arabia

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
--------------------------------------------                           
IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz H
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm - Irq       
    A Riy S Dmm - Irq

NA  NATO

    W Inc S Riy - Irq       Void: No such order
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw H
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor H
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Dmm 2v1
    A Syr H
   
Saudi Arabia Loses Favor with NATO & US Navy

In this example, Saudi Arabia DOES lose favor with both NATO and the US Navy because the Wing in Incirlik supported a different unit to attack Iraq. In order to avoid favor loss, the support order given by the Nuclear Power must correspond with the actual attack that dislodges the neighboring unit.
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Re: РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 14 Mar 2017, 03:40

And now, an example with convoys (just for fun).

Example G: Airborne Convoy
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Example G: Airborne Convoy

    Orders                  Result
                           (Success if blank)
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IR  Iran                   
   
    A Tbz S Teh - Irq
    A Teh - Shi - Inc - Irq
    W Shi C Teh - Irq
   
SA  Saudi Arabia           
   
    A Dmm S Riy - Irq
    A Riy - Irq             Bounced 4v3

NA  NATO

    W Inc C Teh - Irq
   
US  US Navy

    F Kuw S Riy - Irq
   
Neutral Minor Powers

    A Jor S Teh - Irq
    A Irq H                 Dislodged by A Teh 4v1
    A Syr S Teh - Irq
   
No Favor Lost

This example is a bit ridiculous. The Wing in Incirlik joins a convoy taking Iran's army from Tehran to Iraq. Because NATO convoyed this attack, Iran will not lose favor with NATO or US Navy. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia's attack on Iraq fails.
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Re: РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

Postby ColonelApricot » 14 Mar 2017, 05:25

For clarity I suggest rewording Instance #2 slightly as follows:

Instance #2: The player Dislodged a unit in a land, canal, or hybrid province that is in or adjacent to the Nuclear Power's territory (their colored land provinces), except that the player will not lose favour with the Nuclear Power in question if it provided support for or convoyed the attacking unit.
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Re: РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

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Just so you know the site home page displays ?????? rather than the Cyrillic characters.
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Re: РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

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Jordan767 wrote:Just so you know the site home page displays ?????? rather than the Cyrillic characters.


That's funny. I gather the font used on the main page doesn't support enough Unicode.
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Re: РАСПАД: Player Rosters, Voting Results, and Rules Q&A

Postby NoPunIn10Did » 14 Mar 2017, 14:17

ColonelApricot wrote:For clarity I suggest rewording Instance #2 slightly as follows:

Instance #2: The player Dislodged a unit in a land, canal, or hybrid province that is in or adjacent to the Nuclear Power's territory (their colored land provinces), except that the player will not lose favour with the Nuclear Power in question if it provided support for or convoyed the attacking unit.


How about this:

nopunin10did wrote:Losing Favor
At the end of every Orders phase adjudication, a player's orders for their own units are evaluated to see whether they will lose Favor with a Nuclear power.

A player will move one level down a Nuclear Power's Favor Tracker for each instance of the following:
  • Instance #1: The player made a Disrupting Attack of the Nuclear Power's unit.
  • Instance #2: The player Dislodged a unit in a land, canal, or hybrid province that is in or adjacent to the Nuclear Power's territory (their colored land provinces); however, the player will not lose Favor with the Nuclear Power in question if that Nuclear Power provided a support order for the attack or convoyed the attack.
In both instances, only the attacking unit's power moves down the Favor Tracker. Additional supporters or convoyers are ignored.

In Instance #2, whether the Nuclear Power's support order was actually successful is not relevant. If the support is cut, or that Nuclear Power's unit is otherwise Disrupted, then the player who dislodged the adjacent unit will not lose Favor.
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