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Re: Brexit

Postby V » 03 Oct 2016, 20:55

Dear Beowulf7

Time overseas! 12+ years resident in southern African nations, 12+ years resident in California, 4+ years resident in Costa Rica. Sufficient time "overseas" possibly?
I used the BBC as my main source of news in all that time (habits are tough to break) but have noticed a recent sharp decline in journalistic standards & I don't think I am alone. It is turning from amongst the best to amongst the mediocre.

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Re: Brexit

Postby joe92 » 04 Oct 2016, 15:32

super_dipsy wrote:I'm trying to remember what media outlet Martin Bashir was working for when he did that explosive interview with the late Princess Diana...perhaps Joe can help me ;)

Hahaha, yeah, an interview with a woman who died almost 20 years ago is a great example of lack of bias ;)
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Re: Brexit

Postby Carebear » 04 Oct 2016, 15:33

Has the Chunnel been filled with concrete yet?
You can have my last supply center, when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

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Re: Brexit

Postby beowulf7 » 05 Oct 2016, 16:01

Dear Beowulf7

Time overseas! 12+ years resident in southern African nations, 12+ years resident in California, 4+ years resident in Costa Rica. Sufficient time "overseas" possibly?
I used the BBC as my main source of news in all that time (habits are tough to break) but have noticed a recent sharp decline in journalistic standards & I don't think I am alone. It is turning from amongst the best to amongst the mediocre.

Senlac


Then you should know better! (lol) Stop comparing it to some misty eyed memory of a bygone age (which may, or may not, be accurate but is nevertheless unobtainable) and instead compare it to CNN, Fox, CCTV (China). Its glass half full time

PS: I don't remember pointing my comment at you in particular - sure some people travel more than others and not all will agree with me but I stand by my comment that the Beeb is by far the best tv I have seen anywhere. And I don't plan waving my passport to try and make my point. Always room for improvement though
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Re: Brexit

Postby joe92 » 03 Aug 2017, 16:17

What's going to be the final cost of Brexit?

In the news today is the talk of relocating the European Medicines Agency. The EMA and some other European agencies are located in London. They are all obviously relocating. The EMA is a particularly contentious one as when they located to London no break clause was signed into their tenancy agreement, which is in the Canary Wharf no less. They must continue paying rent till 2039.

Who signed the tenancy agreement and who forgot to include a break clause is irrelevant. Since we will no longer be a part of the EU, there is no reason why the EU should pay the Canary Wharf rent until 2039. Therefore we will have to pay the bill. Roughly £520m.

Before the referendum, we had very low inflation and our GDP growth rate was the highest of the 28 nations. Now we have inflation of 2.6% and we are at the very bottom of the GDP growth rate table, even below Greece. Every day we hear of more companies relocating to the Continent or Ireland. Naturally, brexiteers blame the EU.

Refusing to honour our obligations to the EU is only damaging our image further around the world. We are not only seen as unhinged for wanting to leave the largest and richest free market on earth, but we are also proving to be unreliable and unwilling to honour our contractual obligations. It's doing damage to the good reputation we have for never once defaulting on our national debt. Who is going to want to trade with us in such circumstances? I've not yet seen this queue of countries waiting to trade with us as was promised. In fact, I've not heard one country declare they are going to trade with us. I've only heard the arrogant Davis, Fox et al declaring it's going to happen. I've not seen any money ploughed into the NHS as promised either - to the contrary, it's being further underfunded with a growth of investment far below growth of cost/population. Refusing to assure the rights of EU citizens who already live here and using their lives as bargaining chips is even worse.

Weirdly though we're not allowed to criticise the Brexit decision. A decision made in large by soon-to-be-dead pensioners and Daily Mail readers. A post like this attracts yells of "Remoaner!" and several eye rolls as well as the blood vessel in a nearby Brexiteer popping. The costs are mounting up. The EU is playing a hard game. France is blatantly trying to poach our scientists with generous grants. Several banks and investment firms such as JPMorgan and Chase have announced they intend to relocate their headquarters to the continent to remain in the free market.

So it begs the question. Is it going to be worth it?
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Re: Brexit

Postby V » 02 Oct 2017, 01:42

Folks, I thought I'd try to reawaken this splendid thread that was originally about Brexit, but has veered wildly at times.
Quick disclaimer, before I make comment inviting debate. I'm retired, no longer resident in Britain, so thankfully removed from the potentially painful results of current UK politics & I celebrated the Brexit vote outcome.
However is the following a perfect storm that Britain is sailing towards?...

In the 70's I remember the "Sovereignty" debate that accompanied entry into the EU. I remember my view at the time "they can't be worse than our lot". Consider our recent premiers had been Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, our trade unions were diabolical (I was an enforced member of one as a "closed shop" within the NHS). Britain was the "poor man of Europe" hopelessly uncompetitive, archaic in just about every way, compared to advanced progressive Europe. Join, quickly! They'll drag us into the 20th Century, kicking & screaming probably!

Well they did & 40 years on, Britain is undeniably in better shape, however people have been a bit frustrated by a European control of British matters resulting from membership. Which brings me to the crunch concerns that I see ahead. Yes, in a few years Britain will inherit far greater control to go in any political direction & do whatever it likes within the world community, free of European constraints (& moderation). About this time the government faces an election against a political movement that could have stepped straight out of the 70's described above.

If Brexit lead to a high tech, innovative, financially powerful, dynamic, leader of world prosperity as was suggested during the voting, I'd be delighted for Britain to be free & pursue such a vision. But if Britain is headed to attempt a rerun of the 70's, lead by a 70's reject that miraculously is uniting the disenchanted, then a bit of a European leadership & moderation would be much appreciated & "freedom" to follow any path could well lead to economic disaster, as it did last time.

I never thought I'd see the day when there was a real chance Britain would regress back to 3 day weeks & other nonsense I witnessed as a schoolboy, but we now have cheering crowds baying for a chance to give it a try. If it were to happen we might well regret not being part of a larger community that could put a handbrake on the worst excesses. We didn't have it available last time & we might not next time either.
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Re: Brexit

Postby StarWatcher009 » 02 Oct 2017, 02:19

My opinion on Brexit is that it is a really terrible idea and its most likely outcome is that we will make be worse off.

To add to that, British politics is in a really bad place at the moment. The centre ground has been radically abandoned and we are now faced with different brands of socialism and authoritarianism. The very real prospect of Corbyn in power is terrifying to say the least, and frankly May is really bad as well.

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